Breaking Barriers in Black Trans Activism and Empowerment

When Shane Ivan Nash and co-host Blossom C. Brown step up to the mic, you know you're about to be submerged in the authentic voices of black trans advocacy and history in Los Angeles with the legendary guest, Sabel Samone-loreca.

Their laughter and wisdom fill the room as we embark on a voyage through the heart of a community that stands tall in the face of adversity. From the humor that bubbles up in the midst of misgendering to the legacy of Black trans women trailblazers, we're not just recounting stories—we're living them, learning from them, and passing the torch of resilience on to you.

Peeling back the layers of political landscapes and community challenges, we engage in a candid dialogue about the triumphs over HIV, the necessity of inclusive healthcare, and the often silent battles raging against homelessness.

So, lace up your shoes for an episode that promises to uplift, inspire, and ignite a fire for change, as we showcase the indomitable spirit and undeniable progress of the Black trans community.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Black Trans Woman Discusses History/Advocacy
• 8:07 Surviving as a Black Trans Woman
• 21:32 Political Landscape for Black Trans Women
• 29:17 Discussions on Voting, Guns, Race
• 40:21 Challenges Within the LGBTQ+ Community
• 49:16 Gen Z Vote and Importance of Voice
• 55:22 Trans-Inclusive Gym and Personal Training Services
• 1:05:26 Visibility and Empowerment for Trans Folks
• 1:18:25 Trans Men Healthcare and Representation
• 1:22:15 Chappelle's Impact on Trans Community

Transcript

Blossom C Brown: 0:00

The trans liberal you love to hate. I'm gone.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 0:03

Race. I don't bring up race in the sense of discriminatory or anything else. If I talk about race because it's been so hard, whether I'm being a black woman, a black man, a black trans woman, whatever it may be, being a black person in America is dealing with racism. This is the Transparency.

Shane Ivan Nash: 0:24

Podcast Show. Welcome to a special episode of Transparency Podcast. I've actually got a special co-host today Blossom C Brown.

Blossom C Brown: 0:34

The Trans Liberal you love to hate. I'm back, yeah.

Shane Ivan Nash: 0:47

Oh, my God, and we have an amazing episode for you today. Honestly, this is a legend in community and I want to introduce you to Cebel Semenay Lureka, and that's why you got to get her name right, because we're putting this history right.

Blossom C Brown: 1:03

Welcome, Hello Cebel.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:05

Hey, hey, how you doing. I'm doing good Going good down. It's Kid Rob.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:15

Damn, we're already starting to do it.

Blossom C Brown: 1:18

I love this.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:19

So I've brought you here today because A history in community I have always seen a lot of the amazing things that you have done. B you're just a flat out bad bitch. We're at capital B. By the way, I wanted to bring my good friend Blossom with me Because I really wanted to have a deep conversation about the history of LA, A lot of the things that especially black trans women face and, just honestly, the history that you've done in community, that I don't think anybody truly knows the depth of your history and community here. I mean I know because I've been around a long time, but I don't think it's ever been placed on record in, hopefully, the way that it will be today and I wanted to set that record straight with you. So, first of all, how the hell are you doing today? Let me start it with just an easy question.

Shane Ivan Nash: 2:06

Because I don't want to get you too much, too fast. How are you doing today? I'm doing fine.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 2:10

I've been up since five this morning.

Shane Ivan Nash: 2:13

Good yeah, good, good.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 2:15

And then Sweating and eating the blunt.

Blossom C Brown: 2:18

But you look great doing it though. That's right. Just saying yes.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 2:25

Not the blunt. You know, not everybody gets to look this good at this age.

Shane Ivan Nash: 2:29

True, remember when we were on the phone yesterday.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 2:31

And.

Shane Ivan Nash: 2:31

I was like what the hell? I was shit. Listen, I won't reveal a lady's age, but I was shocked when I remember, because I could have swore I celebrated another birthday. And then I was like wait, I don't know how to do math, damn, girl, Damn. But you know I digress on that Girl. What's the tea? How you been, I've been good, you know.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 2:51

And basically I do what I normally do. I stepped out of community for a while and I had to get some me time. For a lot of us, it's when I transition. One of the biggest ways of getting on your feet without working the streets is to work in community. So going to another job working at Burger King, moss Brothers or working at the bank wasn't a choice. So I started working off working in community, doing advocacy work, and that paid my housing, that paid my way through life and everything else that kept me somewhat off the street, because I still love them. Streets. Angolati, my hoe from the gov, no.

Blossom C Brown: 3:35

Ha, ha ha, old and old.

Shane Ivan Nash: 3:38

This is the transparency podcast right, we are sex positive here, 100% yes we love hoes.

Blossom C Brown: 3:43

Shout to all the hoes out there just saying yes.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 3:46

But, um, yeah, I mean, I've been doing this for a while as an advocate and I stepped out not only because of some personal stuff I was going through at the time health-wise, but just because I didn't want to grow old doing HIV and transgender advocacy work all my life. When I transitioned, I started it was a way for me to go through life and have that income. But who said I got to share my life story and I got to constantly work in a community because I'm part of that community in order to survive my life? Yeah, you know, at the time it was and this is like 93, 94, 95. At the time that was kind of the thing to do, yeah. But today that's a different choice. You know, my last job I worked was at Starbucks, you know, and in 93, working at Starbucks as a transgender woman was something that was never going to happen, yeah, and so that's one of the coalitions I have about as far as the future and the past goes, you know, whereas employment goes, even still today we're having some issues with that. At least a lot of the young folks and a lot of the folks that are transitioning today have the opportunity to have that nine to five job or that part-time job or whatever type of job that is, and be behind the counter.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 5:12

I think we as trans folks need to give some patience to some folks in a sense, because not everything happens overnight. You know, lgbt folks just get in the right to marry. You know how long we've been fighting gay rights, and so, as a trans woman, I don't often see that I have to fight for every step of the way anymore. You know, I used to feel that way in a sense, but I don't anymore, and so for me, I pick my battles. You know, if I walk into a story and she happened to say sir, then I'd just be like OK, girl, today you heard my hard voice, I'm going to be OK with that one, tomorrow we're going to try it again. Now you see me coming to the store every day. You keep saying, sir, we're going to have a problem.

Shane Ivan Nash: 6:00

I'm going to get the manager, ok, and that's 20% discount.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 6:03

I'm going to let you know you know, it's one of those things where I just watch. It was a TikTok video of this girl or this trans person having to have this discussion with Delta Airlines staff and on so many levels I wanted to blame her in a sense, because I felt like she kept pushing the issue to be an issue and he was like trying to make it clear, and it was clear to me that he was. You know, I don't know how everybody wanted to proceed him to be hetro, unless they just don't know.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 6:38

As a black trans woman, my gaydar went off and I thought I knew that was one of my family members and so they were trying to be respectful in every way possible from what I got from the video, because they were like either sir or ma'am.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 6:50

So a lot of the times, you know, it's one of those things how do you present when you walk in a store or how do you present when you walk into an environment? Because how you present also determines how people address you. You know, if you walk in and you got a full-fledged beard and some eyeshadow and some makeup, I don't know if I'm going to be the one that's going to say say, ma'am, yeah, I'm going to say what? I might not say anything, and if I can, actually, maybe I can actually. You know, if I want to be really into, how we say, going the extra step, if I want to be political and, you know, politically correct, then I'll go into maybe all of that other stuff. But as someone that probably don't know any better or don't know the pronouns and stuff like that, then for me it's about I'm going to address you the way I see you, unless you give me another reason to address you differently.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 7:40

You know, and so it was just really hard for me to be on that bandwagon of judging him because of the way she presented and the attitude about it, because the more I watched the video the more it was like I got kind of angry with her Because she just kept digging and digging and digging to the point where he got frustrated and he was like look, I can just escort you out the building if you want to. And at that point it's like what have you proven? Nothing.

Blossom C Brown: 8:07

Yeah, and, to be fair, there's context missing, because I know exactly which video you're talking about and it's like, first of all, they were trying to compare her to one of her celebrity friends, who's actually a friend of ours, and it was quite interesting how they did that, because ultimately, when I looked at the video, it's like OK, we know, a black man is not going to get a chance, it doesn't matter if he's queer, it doesn't matter if he's straight, ok. Secondly, she looks flustered about something. Ok, she said in the video that she was misgendered several times, but from the piece that we saw, it was only maybe once and he apologized for that. And so I think it's really important that we got to have all of the context of what's happening here, and I'm so glad that you brought up that video, because that's a really great point.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 8:52

Yeah, it was one part of it where she stated that the woman had said sir, ma'am, and stuff like that, and again, it's one of those things. At least she made the process of correcting herself to make you feel comfortable. She didn't know how to address you, so she said what made her feel comfortable, and she said what she thought she could make you feel comfortable with by correcting herself. And yet you still kept digging into the situation, and so that's just, I mean yeah, and she apologized. The woman apologized, and so it was like what more do you want at this point?

Shane Ivan Nash: 9:27

Yeah, yeah, and I did see that situation and it's a duality of multiple things happening at once, with the attendant there that was trying to do their job at the same time staying respectful within the bounds. May there have been a little animosity, yeah, but I think it's being able to address that. It was on both sides there and, acknowledging that nuance, that there was a triggered individual in that space, and it's understandable why they're triggered. I mean, if someone misgenders me, I mean I'm going to give a gut reaction, I'm going to be like whoa, that's, you know, maybe not every time. I may not land it perfectly too. It depends on you're in the middle of travel, you're in an airport, there's a lot of different factors that were going on and everybody's got a phone, kind of in your face recording thing. So it creates this extra level of like I'm not quite sure maybe more animosity to this space, because maybe the interaction could have been handled If the camera wasn't. I mean, there's so many different things that we could argue.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 10:29

And my thing was maybe if the camera wasn't there, the reaction would have been different.

Shane Ivan Nash: 10:33

On both sides yeah.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 10:34

But because there was a camera there, the reaction just kept antagonizing the situation even more. Yeah, it felt like, and yeah, because it seemed like the more he would say to her, the more she would show the camera into his face, and so that just made it that much harder. But yeah, enough about that.

Blossom C Brown: 10:53

Yeah, well, go ahead. You are a legend in this community and you are someone I feel does not get their flowers enough, and, as a Black trans woman who's also in the same community, I admire your wisdom, I admire your experience, your storytelling, because you've been around the world. Ay, yai, yai, yai.

Shane Ivan Nash: 11:13

Yep, ok, you know what I mean. Wait, we got a. Yeah, we got buttons too, girl, we upgraded.

Blossom C Brown: 11:26

Tell me, tell us, how does it feel to see the legacy that you are carving play out in real time?

Sabel Samone-loreca: 11:37

That part.

Blossom C Brown: 11:38

Damn.

Shane Ivan Nash: 11:39

We came prepared to go host today?

Sabel Samone-loreca: 11:41

OK, it's kind of nice to see.

Shane Ivan Nash: 11:45

I mean we're on the view.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 11:48

I mean, first of all, when the life expectancy of a trans woman is 35 or less than and I have made it to 50 plus, just to say.

Blossom C Brown: 12:03

Where's the Hold?

Shane Ivan Nash: 12:03

on, let me get it together. I think we need this one.

Blossom C Brown: 12:07

We got a lot of programs yeah.

Shane Ivan Nash: 12:11

We just got a program. What are we doing? We doing Not a happy one. Where is it? We got to get a drum roll, cheers, cheers. There it is.

Blossom C Brown: 12:20

There we go. Hey, we're still learning.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 12:22

All right, we just programmed the buttons.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 12:24

But I mean being able to survive through is a lot. When we talk about being a black trans woman, seeing my legacy of trans folks that have come through my path is I mean I'm grateful. I'm just really grateful that I have had the opportunity to be in so many trans folks' lives or to be a part of that or to give them that strength that says I can do this too. You know the part of not getting my flowers. I get my flowers every day in so many ways. You know, when I wake up in the morning and I can see I lived another day. I get my flowers when I read and look on Instagram or TikTok and see my community doing the work. I get my flowers Because I see where all of this was a progress of stuff that I advocated for when I transitioned back in 1999, 1999.

Blossom C Brown: 13:38

So here you go, the 2000.

Shane Ivan Nash: 13:39

The 2000. And the 1900s, actually girl.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 13:43

I'll just say it was in the 90s when I transitioned.

Shane Ivan Nash: 13:45

Yeah, that's the 1900s. It's a whole other century girl. She had COVID five years ago. I just learned that yesterday.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 13:54

We can go back to the 18th.

Shane Ivan Nash: 13:56

Yeah, yeah.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 14:00

But watching a lot of the youth that I've been involved with and seeing not even just the youth but adults that have I've been a part of, you know, succeed and progress is amazing. And to say that I had just a little bit to do with that, A little bit Come on. This is where we're getting more credit.

Shane Ivan Nash: 14:20

Listen, tell the story about you, like, tell the folks, put it on camera. That's why we are here is to tell this. Don't be humble about it, because we know you, but I want folks out there to know you. So I started a lot of this. All of this, no. Imagine we got some queens already typing in the types Right now. They're like what I did this Watch.

Blossom C Brown: 14:48

Yes, if you want to know more about me, go, go me. Oh, that's awesome. That's my line, that's my line, that's my line.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 14:57

But I've been in this fight since 1900. Let's say, you know, I've been in this fight since 1900. I have to say, you know, for a lot of people that don't know, and I'm really open about who I am and what I am, you know. Again, if I were to sit in front of you and say who is Sibel, well, sibel is a black trans woman.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 15:22

She's HIV positive, she's been hep C positive, she's had cancer, she's had a couple other things going on in her life that's caused health and been very close to death because of her health, but yet today I sit here and I'm healthier than most people walking this earth. So when I look at it from that perspective, that's who Sibel is. She's an, you know, she's an achiever, she's a survivor, more than anything else. I've gone through a lot in my life and so when we talk about poverty and the community of trans folks, I know what that means as a person of color. When we talk about housing and the process of being homeless or low income housing, I know what that looks like because I live. That you know, and still do today.

Shane Ivan Nash: 16:10

Lincoln Bi will make sure to hit a Venmo for her. You know we're going to put that up later.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 16:14

Yes, when we talk about healthcare you know again, I'm HIV positive. I've been positive since 1986, 87. And I am undetectable. I have really good health. I had TB. I was hep C positive for 10 plus years and very close to death with hep C. It came out a new research drug and I was able to take that and was completely cured Two days after I was diagnosed. After being cured of hep C I was given a diagnosis of having prostate cancer and having to deal with that after four or five surgeries and I am cancer free. Yes.

Shane Ivan Nash: 17:04

There are high blossoms on the button.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 17:07

You know to say that For a lot of trans folks out there, as well as people of trans women of color, I'd love to be that one that says we can make it. We can survive through anything if you want it bad enough. A lot of my trans sisters and brothers I know suicide rate for us is high and what I can say to a lot of them is just you know, patience, be patient. I would have never thought that 2024, I'd be sitting on a couch talking about my life as a podcast and what that means to me, you know. So be patient. Things happen, you survive it. You know.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 17:51

If you've made it, you know it's a lesson. There's a lesson in there. You know, and I come from not such a religious family, although I'm more Buddhist than anything else but I did grow up in Catholic school and boarding school and stuff like that, and I was always taught. My grandmother and my mother are very religious and so I was always taught God, don't give you no more than a plate, then you can handle. And if you put it on your plate, then that means you can handle it. And so I'm gonna eat, you know, and that's what I do today I eat, you know.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 18:26

Give me something Cause I'm gonna devour it. Don't tell me what I can't do, because I'll prove you wrong.

Blossom C Brown: 18:32

And you eat very well. You notice, and you notice, I do Body by skin. Oh my God.

Shane Ivan Nash: 18:48

So you know, I want to talk more about your work too, I mean the HIV commission. There's history there Like tell me about it. I mean, were you the first?

Sabel Samone-loreca: 18:57

I wasn't the first, okay, but there were folks that were on the commission before me. I just kind of pushed a little harder than most did, and then I kind of advocated the most, like I was one of the first black trans woman. That was part of the HIV stops with me campaign. That was out back in 93, no, back in 2000. That talked about HIV positive and actually being putting back then, though, too. That was a really hard time.

Blossom C Brown: 19:27

Yeah, one of the things I used to say there was a.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 19:31

they had all these poster boards all over the city with buses and stuff and I would get on the bus and there would be my picture above me talking about HIV stops with me you know, and so that was kind of hard. Or you're driving down the street and you see on the back of the bus HIV stops with me, and you just kind of look around and everybody kind of starts to move there.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 19:53

Oh, I'm not a celebrity or anything, but no, you're just up there, you know. So it's kind of that. History of me started in San Francisco, though, because that's where I was. Like I said again, I was diagnosed positive in 86, 87. And that was before AZT or anything else came out, you know.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 20:14

So to say, today we have shots and injections and patches and shit you can take to help prevent from destroying your body or from dying from HIV and AIDS. So for all you folks out there that are HIV positive, you can take medication to keep you as healthy as this and gorgeous and fine as this. You just got to take the medication for real, you know I mean and do what you have to. You know, a lot of times it's not give up, not get into the guilt of it, of my life is destroyed and my life is over, and stuff like that. I have to say, though, I did have great support. You know I have. I come from a family that my mother, my sister, my family they support me. They're standing behind me. Even through my gender transition. They were there, they supported me. My mother's been for every operation I've had, you know that's beautiful.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 21:11

Yeah, she was there when the doctor pulled the always say when the doctor pulled the catheter out she was right there, oh my God.

Shane Ivan Nash: 21:20

So she's like I made it.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 21:21

I want to see what the upgrade is Okay. Let me see the upgrades and that was the fabulous thing, yeah, like have that experience with my best friend and my mom Especially with your mom, yeah, yeah.

Blossom C Brown: 21:32

And what you said is so important about the race of HIV, because one in four black trans women are affected with HIV and we need to hear that we can live normal, healthy, sex positive lives. You know what I mean and I'm like. Sex is good, sex is free, like consenting sex, of course, of course.

Shane Ivan Nash: 21:49

But like I don't know what I'm saying, I don't want to bite a big quote.

Blossom C Brown: 21:51

Thanks for that Bounders are sexy. Yes, exactly, and so it's just really beautiful. You know we're in a political year, we're in 2024 where a lot is at stake, especially when it comes to trans rights. Where you are in society as a black trans woman, how are you seeing things politically play out, or what would you like to see play out in this time, as a black trans woman who has saw so much already?

Sabel Samone-loreca: 22:26

That was a lot. It's a lot. That was a lot. I felt it. I just heard the.

Blossom C Brown: 22:29

I heard the that was like the mouth full of pretty waves. You're this professional, you know, I know you. There's a lot we can see in that. Listen, listen, listen, hold on, hold on. Sorry, I got my buttons.

Shane Ivan Nash: 22:46

I messed it around. We got too much gadgets in here.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 22:50

Yes, it's a lot, but I mean in the sense of Just life itself as a trans person on a black trans woman and seeing the future proceed and what's going on. I think we need to talk more. I mean, I think, somewhere between covid and trans issues and Trumponomics and like that word, the ending of an era where we had a black president that was doing so much. I think one racism is staying playing a big base of our presidency, even though we have a leprechaun and we have a an elder in his office. You know, when we have somebody old as God in office trying to stand up and Get those Twitter fingers just slamming on the keyboard.

Shane Ivan Nash: 23:43

What did you say?

Blossom C Brown: 23:44

And that you know, you know this.

Shane Ivan Nash: 23:48

I'm sorry, let me get up.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 23:52

Really stand to the podium and when he's standing at the podium half the time, or whether he's asleep and it's just. I mean, we send in millions of dollars over to another country. When you got homeless people living on the streets and you got empty warehouses where it's like OK, right now we live in LA and we have I don't know how many empty warehouses in the art district, but you got a you know you're talking about. Oh, we got the bill departments. You got warehouses you can work from the inside out to build where you can support some of these homeless folks on the street. Matter of fact, don't work, don't worry about contractors or construction workers. Grab the homeless folks off the street that got trade skills that haven't been able to put them to use because they're homeless and can't get a job. You know, have them go into these buildings and say, ok, you do the work, we help. You do the work with supply products and everything else. Build it, we build this net cover. Sure, when you're rent, you know, at least these people have a place. Now that's actually genius. But you're not going to say, no, we need to build an apartment. So now we got this. We got to buy a lot. We got to get products, zone it, zone it and everything else to be able to support a building for homeless folks.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 25:11

What the use is that when you got 13 buildings that are empty? Yeah, you know, I just don't get it. You know, when we have, when our country is supposed to be one of the most wealthiest Allegedly, allegedly when they say we wealthy as we are allegedly and we blow money on everybody else but our own allegedly, it makes us look really bad. Yeah, you know, I mean we want to sit and talk about other countries and their product, of how they work with their communities. But as a homeless person, I can go to Amsterdam and I might live at, live my days on the street during the daytime, but when nightfall they protect their people. They put them in shelter and in housing. They put them in their empty hotels and give them a room for the night. Their healthcare is paid for. I don't have to fight to get my healthcare. You know, here we have to fight and pay out a pocket to. You know, I got to pay in order to keep from dying and it's tied to a job, Usually right yeah.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 26:20

You know. So if you don't work, then you don't get really good healthcare, because they're getting that all out of your check anyway.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 26:23

They don't tell you that you know when mama tell you to go get your first job, she don't tell you you got income taxes coming out of that sucker that you gonna send, that they gonna send to another country to pick the fight for some oil that we're not gonna get. They don't tell you we're gonna blow up somebody else's house and that money paid for it. You know you'll get a little, you'll get an eighth of it, but the rest of it is going to take care of somebody else instead of going into SSI when you get 65 to be able to take care of you. You know we're talking about funds we don't have medically and for our own people, but we send in taking care of everybody else. Where's the smarts in that? You know, but back it up, because that was kind of heavy. You're back it up.

Shane Ivan Nash: 27:12

We're getting heavy, we're getting heavy, we're getting heavier.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 27:14

But that's what we talk about Again. When we talk about those political parts of society that we're missing out on because of the stuff that they don't want you to see, you know they're not talking about, how we're not talking about HIV and AIDS anymore. You know, prep might be the big subject, but people are still getting infected every day, you know. So that's stuff we don't talk about and that's being covered by racism and targetnessism and Trumpism and all the racism that's going around. I mean, honestly, I'm just gonna say, as a black trans woman not even as a black trans woman, as a black human being in America when I watch April I believe that was April 6 when I saw all those, and I want y'all to hear me when I say it, because I'm not gonna say it April is

Sabel Samone-loreca: 28:13

420, okay. But I'm gonna say, you know, when I watch sitting in my room and watch all those people you know take over the White House, sort of speak, you know, I'm gonna honestly say that there have been a bunch of black folks, we've all been shot. That's just serious. We've been shot. I mean, think about. Okay, now I'm gonna put it to you clearly, you know, if you want to think about it, this is January, right? What month are we celebrating this year? This month, right, okay. Now I want you to take it back even further, when we had the Martin Luther King March on Washington. Think about the reports and think about some of the research they did in order to be able to stop that march from happening.

Shane Ivan Nash: 29:01

They sent German Shepherd dogs to shoot people.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 29:02

They literally fought to stop that march from happening on Washington and we still fought through that. But look at what they had. And that was then, when we knew we were at risk. Today, when we thought we might be able to fight through some stuff. As you know, the young people today don't give a damn. They'll fight first. I can't see young people today during slavery. It's just ain't gonna work. A lot of us have been dead.

Shane Ivan Nash: 29:28

We would have stopped that we would have stopped, that we would have not made it. And you want me to do what we?

Blossom C Brown: 29:35

don't, we don't it.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 29:38

I'm just saying you know, when you look at it from those perspectives, it's like, wow, what did you? How does this happen? Me as a black person, I'm like, especially after 9-11, how does this happen in America, after we've had such a major attack on America that we have a president sanctioned, something to happen like this? Now people wanna say what they wanna say, but I'm gonna say it like this after looking at every news station and having that blasted all over America for the last week or two weeks that it was all over TV about what was going on and how we were as a country, we're gonna handle that. I'm like you wanna say he didn't incite that to some point and then he went back to his office and sat in his office while it happened.

Shane Ivan Nash: 30:38

Yeah, even turned on Pence. You know that right. They were chanting to get him and they just let it.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 30:46

But I mean in so many ways now here we go again. I'm gonna say this like this but my black folks, we had to fight the right to vote and in this country alone there are still more blacks that don't vote because they feel like their voices won't be heard. But if you don't vote, how do you get your voice to be heard? My mom always say if you're not gonna do the work, then shut up.

Blossom C Brown: 31:14

Yeah, and not even just that Sabelle. They're trying to find ways and find loopholes to stop black people from voting.

Shane Ivan Nash: 31:23

Yeah, with voter laws and IDs and everything.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 31:26

And I get that, but we don't vote as it is. So I mean, it's one of those things where you know people have died in the black community and they're fighting for a civil, but yet you still won't vote. I wouldn't care, then you vote for the lesser evil. If I had to choose between Trump and Biden, then I guess Biden might get it. I mean, today we have a few more options than just the two sometimes, and we can do that in different ways.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 31:59

Allegedly Well, we have the Green Party, independent Party, and if you can get those in, you can probably get through.

Shane Ivan Nash: 32:06

But again you could probably get through. I mean, it's still a two party system, you know. I mean there's a huge establishment, Everything's around money.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 32:14

So you can buy just about whatever you want, and I figure, to some level, that's what Trump did. He bought the White House, yeah, you know, and allegedly.

Shane Ivan Nash: 32:22

Allegedly, make sure to say allegedly no they left me in the comments section.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 32:26

Yeah, I just yeah, we gonna leave that alone, because I don't know.

Shane Ivan Nash: 32:33

I mean, here's the thing. Look at what happened with the Black Panther Party. Like gun laws in California right now. The only reason why we have such strict gun laws is because the Black Panther Party went marching upon those steps and then all of a sudden it was like whoa, wait a second. Now all of California can't have guns because of that one action. Yet with what happened with January 6th, you've got people that look at those folks and like they were patriots, they were saving the country, they were this Okay, it's a matter of perspective at that point.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 33:01

But then you look at states like Florida and Texas where you can go purchase a gun and go into grocery store. Would that be put to your head?

Shane Ivan Nash: 33:08

On your head With like a pink little clip to put it on.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 33:11

Okay, the Sanchez ain't playing easy Child.

Blossom C Brown: 33:14

They have, like those big artillery guns, machine guns or whatnot, and, trust me, I've seen on social media it being landed in the wrong hands. You know what I mean, especially low budget people, so you know it's.

Shane Ivan Nash: 33:28

He's talking about a certain podcast. I am not.

Blossom C Brown: 33:32

I don't discuss low budget podcasts. I'm not. I'm not, yeah.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 33:36

I mean. But when you look at it from all angles, it's like one of those things how do you talk about crime and gun laws and stuff like that when we are? You know you want to put? You talk about young people and guns and all these school shootings we've had, but we're not tightening up our gun laws enough. You have states that have made it possible for you to just walk in a store and pick it up Same day. No, no, nothing. It's just a lot, you know. I mean yeah.

Shane Ivan Nash: 34:11

It can be challenging. It can be challenging and there's a lot of nuance to it all because, at the same time, our country was founded on the rights of having access to guns. It's how we were able to stand up to the other country. It's this whole, you know history of nuance.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 34:26

You know, if I go to England you can't get a gun. You can't have a gun.

Shane Ivan Nash: 34:30

Because they learn their lesson. Just like what Australia banned it.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 34:33

I listen to a lot of these other countries that protect their communities and take care of their communities. And then you take that and you open the book and you flip it over and you say, okay, america, what? Yeah, because now in America everybody want a gun. It's an identity and that's the other part of it. You know, that's I'm having another, a whole another fink's bell go across. You know, I just saw this thing where this lady said go back to your country, and she was Irish and I was like, hmm, so you didn't come, your family didn't travel for Ireland to get here. Since you're.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 35:06

Irish. You know you weren't born. You know, if this is America and you're Irish and you come from, your origins is from Ireland, you know. So how do you tell somebody to go back to their country? Can you go back to Ireland and do they want you back? You know. So you know, when I see a lot of that go on, it's just like really confusing and hurtful and stuff like that. And I said that in a sense of I hope people get enough of that to a point where it stops, because you know we're constantly talking about this is America land of the free and the brave, and I got the right to say what the hell I want. Then stop telling people to go somewhere else, cause you're constantly inviting them over here.

Blossom C Brown: 35:45

Ooh yeah, that's beautiful. And you know we're the only country that focuses on race. I'm sitting up here and I'm listening. You know, some of the critiques that we always get, as black trans people specifically, is why are you always talking about race? It's because race is reality Number one. It's also the fact that just because a black person is talking about race, that doesn't mean they're a victim. I think that people who have a victim mindset that way, that are trying to project onto other people, can have several seats, because it's important that we do talk about race, it's important that we create these spaces to figure out how can we build a coalition together? How can I protect you? How can I protect you? How can y'all protect me? I think that's what we're trying to build. I mean, I don't you know?

Sabel Samone-loreca: 36:32

I know this whole community got issues and stuff, got stuff going on Communities got issues.

Shane Ivan Nash: 36:37

I've never heard of that before. And you people got issues or stuff in this community. The T, it's hot. I never heard of this.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 36:43

I don't ever see myself as a victim. I see myself as a survivor and an overachiever.

Shane Ivan Nash: 36:47

I see myself as a bad bitch.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 36:49

And that poor it. I do what I want, when I want, how I want, but first you know.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 36:56

If you want a book or you know what to find, it you know, when Blossom talks about race, it's one of those things where just because I bring up race, I don't bring up race in the sense of discriminatory or anything else. You know, if I talk about race because it's been so hard, whether I'm being a black woman, a black man, a black trans woman, whatever it may be, being a black person in America is dealing with racism. Yeah, On mentee levels, whether you want to talk about it or not. You know, at least one of the things I talk about a lot to my friends when we bring up race is at least in the South. They'll say it to your face.

Blossom C Brown: 37:32

Yes.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 37:33

When you come to the West or to some of these other states, they talk about it behind your back. Be brave enough to talk about me to my face. Don't be brave enough to talk about me behind my back, because when you talk about me behind my back, that's all you're doing is talking to my back.

Blossom C Brown: 37:46

I want to affirm that because you are so right. I am somebody from Mississippi and I'm used to racist white people, but coming out here and dealing with anti-blackness from other people of color was a shock to me. I was genuinely shocked at how being in proximity to white supremacy really does play out here, especially in our community, our trans community, and we have to be bold to talk about it. And I know you've been in this community for a long time. I mean, you've seen so much.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 38:17

I'm going to tell you girl.

Blossom C Brown: 38:18

Yes, I'm going to tell you it's good and deep. I'm going to tell you Woo, you already know. So we're going there, hold on.

Shane Ivan Nash: 38:23

We've got to go to a little more. Give me something. He was like what we want to go back a little bit.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 38:28

I mean today you have a lot of organizations talking about black and brown and how we're this and how we're that. But I want you to know it wasn't that long ago when the Asian community didn't like the black girls and the Latino community didn't like the black girls and we were all separated, even when it came down to our clubs, where we go and what we did. A lot of that was separation. I came out during time period where, again going to us Hollywood when I first moved here in 93, that was very much known as White Boys Town and to have been a black person or a black gay person in LA in Boys Town during that time period, you were considered discriminated against Because unless you was sucking dick or sucking some white boys dick or letting some white boys like yo dick and you were black, then you weren't considered part of that community. That's why you don't see the children from Inglewood, compton and Long Beach come to us Hollywood that often.

Shane Ivan Nash: 39:18

Still to this day, that effect is there.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 39:21

That's why in so many ways and most people won't say it is that's why the catch was invented.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 39:28

The catch gave black folks a club to go to and it's not that many clubs that are around where black LGBTQ folks can hang out at, because when you look at what's in Hollywood and around the police and around the stores and the management and the corporacy of that, it's not made for black folks 100% 100% when you and I want, for a lot of folks may have some shade against that, but I want you to take a look and take a ride down West Hollywood and I want you to go and look in some of those stores, Count how many black people are in them stores that down there you talk about. We discriminate and we always dealing with racism and racism doesn't go in everything. Go in some of them stores and tell me how many black folks you see that work in the West Hollywood District even today.

Shane Ivan Nash: 40:16

Yeah, honestly. That brings, honestly a great point to one of my next questions. That something that I've seen in community, especially when the LGBT community was first forming. It almost was like they compartmentalized certain parts of the community because it was easier for the community, the general population as a whole, to kind of digest, especially white men that were gay. So they were placed in these spaces constantly and the visibility was so high for them which again impacted them to this day now where you see gay men as the highest earners in the LGBT community because of the visibility, the access, the resources et cetera. Now, on the flip side, you can see our community, which we got completely, kind of almost erased even by our own community, because it was easier for especially white gay men to thrive in white supremacy because they're like, well, we're not just with those people, we're different than those people.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 41:14

But you can. It's one of those things that I tell a lot of people. I say you have a hard time addressing me as her, but put a drag queen on stage and you have no problem calling her she Child. What is that? Wake that up. I have a problem with that. And that's just dealing with everyday community. But when we talk about our LGBT community, our lesbian, gay, bisexual community, how do you have a hard time addressing your trans sisters and brothers by their pronouns, when you can put female and male impersonators on stage and they get called she 24 hours, oh girl, oh Miss Thing. All this, all that. But all we want from you is just a little bit more respect, the same kind of respect you wanted from community when you were fighting for your LGBT rights. The same, and it's just. I don't get that. I was looking at an article again, watching TikTok, because that's kind of my favorite.

Shane Ivan Nash: 42:13

It's so great to have some of the stuff you can come out of there but it was one of those things where Make sure to follow us. We all got TikToks.

Blossom C Brown: 42:20

I have two. I actually have two TikToks now.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 42:23

I listened to this guy talk about how he had such issue with trans folks. Now, it was hard to listen to him being a black gay male, being a feminine black gay male, Because it's like not long ago you were fighting to be that feminine black gay man yeah, you know, because you were thrown to be either you know there's a hundred other words we can put out there that we were, that LGBT men were called or folks were called during that time period but how do you separate yourself from a community that also helped you go to, that, helped you stay alive? It's white supremacy honestly, it's relative.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 43:07

Every time and is I don't care what people say or how they do it, but any fight that's been in the LGBT community. Look at who are their forms that started it first. Look at who started the fights. Look who spoke up first. Look who's lost the most. Look who went homeless, you know, for speaking out. Look who got arrested for speaking out. Look who got banished.

Shane Ivan Nash: 43:29

Look who got blend in as well.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 43:31

The people you say you don't want to be around. Look at the same people that fought for you.

Blossom C Brown: 43:36

Yeah, you said something that was so crucial right there and I have been talking about it, because when we do talk about the black queer community, there are some not all black queer men that are benefiting off the transphobia that we do experience and that we do face. There are some I will not say a name, but there are some interesting black comedians, black queer comedians they got their heart moved by a girl Every time you turn around.

Shane Ivan Nash: 44:03

What doll did it? Okay, can we find out what doll hooked that heart? First, number one, yes, y'all, but then every time, make the video girl. We want to know the team.

Blossom C Brown: 44:12

Every time something comes up with Dei Chapella, whatever oh, she said the name. Listen, they need an algorithm boost. They need an old algorithm boost where they want to take pictures with the person and all the things or whatever, and it's just kind of like but you experienced homophobia from a black celebrity when you were doing comedy, and so for me, I don't understand why you stand on the oppressive side and target is nice.

Shane Ivan Nash: 44:38

They get comfortable, they go to Costco, they go to Target. They finally were able to blend in society. It's a hierarchical system and they go. You know what? I got mine, I'm good, and they leave anyone that's not on that same hierarchical system or above. They leave them behind. It's, it's. It's that way through all society. It's always in this hierarchical thing and you see this throughout every single dynamic as a human that we always have to inflict these hierarchical structures in order to feel powerful. It's insecurities, it's so many different things that are bubbling up, while simultaneously also still being white supremacy, because in that sense, they're going. Well, I'm not like them, I'm different, I'm, I'm a good one, you know, and it's almost separating the community. That is the same community that was stood for you. That what is it? A hundred laws are coming out this year, just now, a couple days ago, and those laws keep evolving, and now, all of a sudden, they're talking about adults, they're even going for interracial marriage. They're going for all of it. And if we are not looking at the system.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 45:38

They're only being able to go for these things because we allow them to.

Shane Ivan Nash: 45:42

Thank you. Oh yeah, Thank you Again. It goes back to complicity and at all.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 45:46

you know, again, it goes back to voting and it goes back to paying attention to what you're voting and showing up. I mean because you know well, on one hand you're saying I'm going to vote for this person because they dislike, okay, and we're going to do this differently. I'm going to say I'm going to vote for this person because they hate transgender laws or they hate transgender folks. Okay, fine, you voted for that person because they have this bill that says they hate trans folks.

Blossom C Brown: 46:10

Now, under now, when you now.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 46:13

Now my thing is when you put that bill together, did you read the whole bill on who all of us it affects? Because in that sense, it's one of those things where you have to look at what else is the A and B and C and the point that point, this net, and the other, because that's where they get you at, that's where the laws change. Yeah, they might say, okay, this is to stop trans folks from doing this. But that's C, part two, section A sex sex women.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 46:42

B is going to have something that's going to affect your life just as well. And so when we vote for things, pay attention to what you're voting for. Don't just vote for the one piece you see on top, because there's a whole list of other stuff on the bottom of that ballot. That means something that's going to affect your life. You know, when they put, when Texas stopped and talked about having abortion laws and stopping women from having going to charge them for being going through abortion, then it's one of those things where what else is down under that list it's going to affect me and we don't pay attention to that.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 47:18

So that's how so many laws get passed because we only see the one bullet point. We don't see the rest of them. That's down on the blow and we need to pay attention to that whole ballot. But on top of all of that that we do, we need to go vote. I mean really, you know you can vote by ballot, you can vote by standing in line, you can vote online. There are many ways of voting and getting your opinion. You know it's everybody's quick to get on TikTok and Instagram and talk about what they hate and what they dislike and who they have a problem with, but you don't go and stand in that line and put your ballot in.

Shane Ivan Nash: 47:53

So if you don't do that, then shut the hell up, or show up to volunteer to do the work you know like yeah, I don't even want to see you volunteer, I want to see you point that ballot.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 48:01

Yeah, put that ballot in, because that's what's going to make the difference. If you don't put a ballot in, there's no change. You know, and that's one of the things we, as black folks, need to pay attention to If we want change. We keep talking about well, ain't nobody going to do that? Ain't nobody going to do that. Ain't nobody going to do that. Well, of course, you didn't vote, so that's one less vote that we can't get. You know, your vote makes a difference on who's in office.

Blossom C Brown: 48:27

Yes, it does.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 48:28

Literally, I mean you take.

Shane Ivan Nash: 48:31

Trump morning, but not even that much 25% of that vote. Yeah.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 48:35

And that means there's 75 people out there that didn't vote.

Blossom C Brown: 48:38

Yeah, I think. For me it's just really frustrating when I see these trans conservatives do it, these black conservatives do it, the liberals even do it.

Shane Ivan Nash: 48:47

Yeah, we've seen folks say well, I'm liberal, I this, that and the other, but I don't accept trans people.

Blossom C Brown: 48:52

It's like yeah, or the fact that you don't even accept non-binary people into the trans community, because I got that criticism from a liberal progressive who said, oh, I agree with the other side. Well, here's the thing. This is why I find some of you liberal progress is a problem, because some of y'all are progressing the wrong way. I'll stay far left over here and hold you accountable, as well as hold the other side accountable, because we are hurting ourselves. And you know, this whole conversation around voting is like how do we get the motivation for this younger generation? Because Gen Z is now at that age where they're voting and it's just kind of like we're in a different capacity because you know we're millennials and you know you're, you're a generation.

Shane Ivan Nash: 49:34

She's a legend. She's a legend.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 49:36

She's a legend generation.

Blossom C Brown: 49:38

But but here's the thing no, things were so different from when we were 18.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 49:43

Oh, yeah, we were completely different. I mean, okay, you know, when I was 18, they was making you register.

Shane Ivan Nash: 49:48

Yes, elective service.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 49:50

So I mean you're voting dependent on you being drafted, You're registering and I mean, hey, I was. I was part of that whole draft process when I was 18, I had the red register and everything else. So I'm that all Allegedly Definitely allegedly I'll be 35 forever.

Shane Ivan Nash: 50:09

Yes.

Blossom C Brown: 50:11

And this in this generation, these generations coming up, Gen Z and Gen A they don't. They won't probably experience a lot of that because we have been making it easier for them. And so TikTok is such a powerful platform and those younger generations are utilizing it. I really just wished that they would utilize it in a way where we can get out and vote and where they can also understand that their voice, their voice, does matter, because the reason why a lot of them refuse to vote is because they're like my vote is not going to do anything. Trump may still get elected, even if I go and I go and vote.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 50:44

But at least you voted.

Blossom C Brown: 50:45

Exactly.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 50:46

You know, that's one of the things. Regardless of whether you think your voice is heard, at least you voted, yes, you voted for one or the other party. You know, and that's what makes the difference. It's, you know, because if you don't vote, then you haven't done anything to change anything. And as much as you say, I don't know whether my voice is being heard. If you don't vote, it's never going to be heard, but at least if you vote, you can say I voice my opinion by saying I want this person over this person, yes. And so, as a youth, of any youth out there is wondering whether or not your voice is being heard, you make a difference by voting. You know, my black young, 18 to 12 and 21, 13 to 24, you know, this is a time period where you can almost do and be anything. You know and I'm going to take that back a little bit because I come from the 1800s, as we were talking about.

Shane Ivan Nash: 51:41

I love my 18.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 51:44

When I was born it was 60. But it's one of those things where again and I love my mom for the support that she gives me, but growing up as a black LGBT youth in America, in the South, you know I was and going to boarding school and Catholic school, you know my mom raised me with the intent that I don't care what two things society can't take away from you who you are and your education. The more education you get is the better for you, because that's one thing I don't care what you do in life, no one can ever take from you is education. You know education has gotten me where I am today in so many ways and when I say that, I say that in a sense as someone that's 50 plus, I'm a personal trainer.

Shane Ivan Nash: 52:37

I was going to say education right now, because now we can talk about what you do.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 52:45

I've been a case manager for years, working at Children's Hospital adolescent division. I've worked for other different amounts of agencies minority AIDS project, you know. There's just a history of things we could talk about I've worked with when it comes to working in the community and working with our elders, but I do right now, currently, as someone 50 plus, work in a community where we work on healthcare for all LGBTQ, trans and non-binary community members. I have to say my job, as well as the agency that, or the gym that I work in, is one of probably only ones of its kind in America. I want to say, or at least I'm going to say that I'm going to say we're one of everybody's gym, which is located off of 1840 San Fernando Road, you know say that one more time for folks, because we want to say it low and slow.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 53:50

Everybody's gym. I want you to go become a gym membership. Yes.

Shane Ivan Nash: 53:54

Even if you don't show up, just get a membership and then just donate that way Okay. You know, I mean yeah, and this gym is actually like it's heavily trans. Is it trans owned? That's my understanding.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 54:06

Trans owned, wow, and it's trans operated, and I said so we have a system.

Shane Ivan Nash: 54:13

It's amazing, I'm telling you.

Blossom C Brown: 54:15

Are they hiring over there?

Sabel Samone-loreca: 54:16

They're always looking for front desk staff and we're always looking for trainers. We're also always looking for different people that know how to teach classes. One of the so our gym is again located over in Cypress Park off of San Fernando Road, and we're open from 6am to about 930pm most day, monday through Friday, most days weekends the hours vary. You can go on the internet and check that out, and I want to say up, about 95% of the trainers personal trainers are LGBT, are trans men or women, not trans men getting it.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 55:00

Wow, so we have some really handsome trans men working.

Shane Ivan Nash: 55:04

Wait a minute. Wait, don't you have like a class of all trans men that you're like a little harem that you run? What? Yeah, she's got a little harem of trans men that she runs.

Blossom C Brown: 55:12

She's got a trans man that's doing work half.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 55:14

Yes, we have a program called we do.

Shane Ivan Nash: 55:19

Shout out to the producer for getting this out. Thank you.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 55:22

We have quite a few trans folks trans men and women and gender, non-binary trans folks that work at everybody's gym. We offer things from such as acupuncture, we offer body massage, we offer masseuse therapy. Parking is good. We have parking which is located within the gym's parking lot. We also have this state park, which is across the street, which has some free parking and lots of space, so all you have to do is walk across the street and you offer classes.

Shane Ivan Nash: 55:56

We have several classes, we even have Girl, but just you, listen, listen, just you right, I do a body works.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 56:03

I do a training Because they're trying to get the body like this at the 50 plus.

Shane Ivan Nash: 56:08

So I'm trying to give people the tips because we're trying to get those people connected to you. I have more strength training.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 56:13

Yes, A lot of people tend to.

Shane Ivan Nash: 56:15

You know, one of my things is that's why you get all the trans men, because we try to get that little okay.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 56:20

Yeah, but I mean one of the things I got into, I had a friend. She was like you work out constantly and you should become a personal trainer. And then I got into that and went to study with NASA and show up fitness to become show up fitness as a program. I have to put that out there. They were really nice to me. They're one of the programs where you can go up and it's all about train the trainer. You know, just because you have a certification doesn't mean you know how to train someone. You know to be able to best train a client and to best know how to work with them around nutrition and everything else is to work with another trainer that's already been doing the work and so for that sense, show up fitness, which is located off of Sunset, is a really good place to go If you're interested in becoming a personal trainer.

Shane Ivan Nash: 57:12

Girl, we're going to everybody. Okay, we're not sending them to the bed, all right, go to everybody. Fitness, everybody.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 57:16

fitness is so just give you some really cute stuff about it, because I you know it's one of the gyms that has indoor outdoor gym. We have a really cute outdoor gym. We have sauna. We have nutrition's onsite Again. We have chiropractor onsite we have you name it. It's onsite and just about, and we don't have separate locker rooms. We have a one set locker room. We have unisex bathrooms and showers. So on the floor is all about all genders and being gender inclusive.

Blossom C Brown: 57:47

It feels very safe over there.

Shane Ivan Nash: 57:48

Oh yeah, oh yeah, I've been.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 57:49

It's like the warmth you can walk into the gym and we have pictures on the wall that show community, you know, painted on the wall steps. So this is a gym for everybody, every race, you know, and so that's one of the best things I love about that gym. One of the owners, his name is Sam, and Sam is like a God sent to me when it comes to working out and giving to the community. We also not just only have everybody's gym. We have a sister company which is siblings, which has its own studio and its own podcast set up and its own Not plugging a podcast on my podcast Damn she getting okay.

Shane Ivan Nash: 58:27

So if you're one of them, go watch their podcast and ours. All right, I'm really.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 58:30

In that sense, though, I'm playing with you, I mean you have this base for folks that just necessarily don't have the funds or wanting to just get started, you know, and you don't have that complete setup. It's a place where you can go and do that, and we have the space for that available. Most of our events and parties are held at our siblings, which is still located off of San Fernando Road. They're about maybe a mile and a half apart, Okay and so? Yeah, it's a lovely gym and we have a really nice, just awesome team of people there. You know, if you want to come into everybody's, you know we have our line of clothing.

Shane Ivan Nash: 59:07

Look, we got it on the screen. We have our merch, so you see, we're out there.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 59:11

Everybody's gym is just the best, and I mean, I don't care where you're at in your stage of fitness. It's one of those places where you can definitely come in. You know, I don't care whether you're slim, thick, juicy, whatever. You know, we want you to be able to come in there and feel comfortable about working out and not having to worry about going to a 24 hour fitness or something like that and being ashamed about what your body looks like. This is a place for everybody's size and shape and so and gender, you know. So when you throw all of that in there, you know we're always told to go to the gym or workout. You know you have to protect your high blood pressure, your diabetes and all of this stuff, and you're so ashamed to go to so many of these other gyms. We're one of those that offer that. We also.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 59:56

I do several classes online. We have this thing called body everybody. It's an online class and you can take it's with several of our instructors, but I do a kettlebell and a dumbbell workout. My thing is working with kettlebells. You know, it's one of those things. It's one of those pieces of equipment you can do almost any exercise with at home.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:00:20

Yeah, I like kettlebells. You can like swing it too, because you get that like little momentum from the weight too, I'm scared.

Blossom C Brown: 1:00:26

I'm gonna get something.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:00:28

And my thing of it is it's like so I work primarily with trans folks. I'll work with anyone that wants to work out, but I primarily work with trans men and women. And what got me into that is the fact that so many of us are losing or afraid to go to the gym because of whether or not we're gonna bulk up or we're not gonna do this, or you know, women are worried about, or you'd be judged at the gym, or is it safe?

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:00:54

Is there gonna be?

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:00:54

you know this is a place where you don't have to worry about that. I want you to love who you are at this gym. You know, it's one of those things where when you walk in, you're greeted by a community. You know, when you walk through, you're greeted by your community and it's that beautiful. I mean, we're not always busy. I mean, if you come between that five and six hour, that's kind of our rush hour area. But also, like by eight o'clock we have programs going on. There's always a class going on that you can join.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:01:28

This sounds like a beautiful community. Now is can we go to the website to actually like book you?

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:01:33

How do we book you so if you want to book me to train with me you can either book me through my email address, which is located on the website itself, or you can go to Vargo Pro, which is my book. We spell that for the folks V-A-G-R-O pro P-R-O dot com and you can book me through that. You can also go through that and see some of the work that I've done, as well as some of the clients I've worked with, and read some of the reviews and stuff like that. I think there's some bad ones. There's also some good ones too.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:02:05

Another some bad ones, okay.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:02:08

I feel like the bad reviews and the good reviews. The bad reviews teaches me, the good reviews show my work, and so I've been doing this for the last three years. It's kind of like my favorite favorite hobby. It's one of those things where I do it because I want to and not because I have to. I hate to have a job where I have to work because then I lose interest. I enjoy working out, I enjoy eating and, girl, I enjoy eating too, I got that part, I got that part.

Blossom C Brown: 1:02:39

I love my cakes and pies and if I'm gonna eat my cakes and pies and cookies.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:02:43

I need to know how to keep this shape too.

Blossom C Brown: 1:02:45

Come on, come on shape.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:02:48

I'll be 60 in four years and I wanna be able to be fabulous. I wanna look like Angela.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:02:52

She said it. Okay, you heard that right. You heard 60 in four years. I was on the phone with you yesterday. I said how old Girl I've known you. How long Damn, because we met when I was what like 18, 19 years old I was a baby.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:03:06

Yeah, you was a baby when.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:03:07

I was, I remember, with no tea or nothing. I had nothing on there, shit, you know.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:03:12

I mean, yeah, and so I do. My primarily workout is basically strength training. Okay, and just to give a story about, like I said, if you wanna know more about me, google me, and I don't say that in a sense of joke only, but a lot of stuff I've. You know, one of the things that, being an HIV positive trans black woman, that I have to say that I'm grateful for is the ability to be visible for other trans folks in the community, because we don't oh guys, the problem went.

Blossom C Brown: 1:03:45

Sorry, my bad. I mean Okay, that's what we needed. Okay, I'm just not serious.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:03:57

What did you do? Damn the shade of it all, you know. I mean, I thought we were supporting each other here, Wow.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:04:04

The love for us. But I mean, it's one of those things where you know really, in a sense, of Hit the button again, girl no.

Blossom C Brown: 1:04:12

Ha, ha, ha ha ha. I can't believe it.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:04:18

It's just all love, just all love.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:04:19

It is, you know it's, but I do feel like we constantly when I look at who I am and what I am as a person and I tell people.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:04:30

If you want to know about me, I think you know, and that's another part of this whole process in being trans black in America is you know, I'm grateful to be able to sit around and say I am a. You know, at my gym, I'm the only black trans woman of color working there, which is a beautiful thing. I'd love to see other black trans folks that are in personal training, at the gym and working. I don't like being always the only one, but, you know, to be able to represent as a black community and trans women, that's something I love, but we need more of that, you know. And again, like we were talking about employment and stuff like that earlier, one of the things is that we really One of the things I want people to see or want to understand, which I feel like we have more today than we did when I transitioned, because when I transitioned, I couldn't go into Starbucks, I couldn't go into Target, I couldn't go into Ross or any.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:05:26

Oh, they got training.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:05:27

To see that there are trans folks working behind the counter Much less. You know, even back then, during my transition, it was harder to see LGBT folks in some of these positions.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:05:38

You'd be like there's a lesbian at Starbucks, what it's okay, what a beer.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:05:43

Oh, my goodness, ooh. And so what's her number? You know. And so today you can see that you know, when people you know. It's one of those things where, like I tell a lot of people you know, so many people have these bad images of trans folks, and I think that's because of the entertainment industry. I remember, you know, the only time, and even still today, because I have yet to see it any differently. But watch NCIS, law and Order. You see criminal minds in all of those other.

Blossom C Brown: 1:06:14

TV stations.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:06:15

Allegedly Mm-hmm Say that they support trans folks. Yeah, you might have us on there, but what do you have us doing? You have us dying and prostituting on the street, you know. Put us in. Or being strippers, you know. Instead of having us dying and prostituting on the street, why don't you have us be one of the detectives or a police officer that's working the job, and not one police officer that's working on the job, being discriminated against and we're having to fight for our rights as a cop on.

Blossom C Brown: 1:06:45

TV, which is there, you know just let us be that cop. Yeah, you know, set a screen, so so so.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:06:53

So, you know. So that's one of the things that when we talk about the future of the trans community, that's more. The empowerment that I want to see is more of us behind, you know, in front of the counter or in those deaths. When I walk into an office, I want to. You know, I don't give a fuck if it's Barnes and Barnes Insurance Company. You know, if there's a trans woman answer the phone, that would be one of the greatest things in the world. And to know that she was hired to be working with that insurance company without being known as just a trans woman, but because she has experience and a skill to do the job yeah, you know, is the other part of it. You know, let her be behind the desk doing the job.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:07:33

You know how much that changed a young person's life. It's one of those things where and I take this, I always reflect on this when things get really hard for me is I took up when I worked for Children's Hospital back in 2005 as a case manager. One of my clients, her mother, came in. Well, I had a couple clients come in. I worked with a lot of youth during that time, so, but one when I first started. Some of the things that I was asked and told was it was so shocking to walk into a clinical situation and see a black trans woman enrolling a client into healthcare.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:08:14

Yeah, people forget how powerful of an image that is for everyone at all.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:08:18

I had mothers and fathers walk in and just were in shock that I had that job.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:08:23

Because they had the image of us being prostitutes.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:08:26

Because the image that society puts out and the entertainment puts out is that we're on Nuss Holstrow or we're, and that's just, I mean just to be honest I love you, shay but that's just from an outside race perspective, because when you talk about a black trans woman, I'm supposed to be less than even that.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:08:44

Yeah, 100%.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:08:46

You know. So when I'm considered less than even than that, we have all these different levels that we put. People and trans folks are less than anything as it is. We're at last on the bottom of the totem pole. But when you're a black trans woman, you get thrown under the dirt and the mountain gravel too. And so when you look at it from that perspective and they come into the office and you've talked to a trans woman that's black, hiv positive and surviving and living and thriving and she's enrolling your kid in a medical program to get them healthcare, it's one of the biggest shocks people see.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:09:18

That humanizes folks that have been humanized, but it makes people say, well damn, my kid can't survive and have a life. And so today some of those kids that I work with are doctors, lawyers, because of your Actors, you know, living their best life whatever they're doing. You know, and I'm so proud to be a part of that, because what their parents saw when they brought them in showed them that, and what they saw when they saw me at the desk sitting there showed them that they can do and beat anything they wanted to, the same as my mother once told me, and they did it with proudness because they seen somebody that shouldn't have been in that position do the work and make their lives changed. So for that, you know, for that alone my life is Let me get a button. For that I accept the gratitude.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:10:09

Yes, I was gonna say because thank you for being here, you're welcome. It is made an impact even in my life as a trans man, because I am in LA and the work that you've done, even the idea that I believe you were the first trans woman to get married in the state of California.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:10:25

I was the first black trans woman to get married in 2005. Matter of fact, my anniversary's coming up. Okay, anniversary, it's February 13th.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:10:34

Make sure to send Venmo money. You know we ain't got no wedding bills. You ain't got no wedding bills over here. We'll get a program for next time, all right.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:10:42

But our husband's name is Lewis Lorreca. He was initially from New York. He moved to LA. We got married February 2013 at Minority AIDS Church in Los Angeles off of Jefferson, and yeah, I was the very first. It's something. It was funny because soon after I got married, I ran for quest for the cover and became the first black trans woman of color on the yeah girl.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:11:09

She got a lot of history. I told you why do you think I wanted her on the show.

Blossom C Brown: 1:11:13

See, I didn't get here until 2016. This is all new for me.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:11:16

Yeah, so I've done, you know, and I'm still being, you know, loyal and of service to APIT for giving me that opportunity. But it was like so many-.

Blossom C Brown: 1:11:27

Good organization.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:11:28

What's happened to me during that time period as a first for the city of Los Angeles or the state of California as a black trans woman? Yeah, a lot of it isn't talked about, but I know it's there and, like I said-.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:11:41

Well, the folks that are in there know who you are and know your history and that's why I wanted to bring you here today, because I wanted other folks, not just those folks in those silos, but the community as a whole, even the world as a whole to actually see the work you've done, because it's impacted me again as a white trans man because of the work that you've done, even with the work with HIV.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:12:02

I mean, my incident happened and my PEP situation happened and I can even see and trace it back to your work at the HIV commission of how all of that is connected and I just thank you for that and that's why I really wanted to uplift you today and celebrate you and bring you on the podcast to just show the world who you are more and really uplift that and honestly having these conversations. Thank you both. I mean I know I'm just a white trans guy and we're talking about black trans women, but A I'm always comfortable to have that fucking conversation because I understand how white supremacy works and how it flows you know, it's one of okay.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:12:37

So to have a trans masculine guy as my host, it is one of the most awesome things when you have two black trans women sitting beside you.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:12:47

Because I just wanna say, in 2000, we don't even go back further than that, maybe 1999, the only programs that were available for trans men period was FDM Alliance, and a lot of people don't remember FDM Alliance.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:13:03

No, they don't, but that was kind of the only organization that was available and very few trans men were a part of that because they just didn't wanna deal with the, the bulls, the BS and the humility of everything that came out. And so for a lot of people, you know, I think a lot of times as trans, as a trans woman of color, trans men get a bad rap a lot of the times and a lot of their history and a lot of their stories are told and trans women stories are told. But I think you have it goes back in to again. You know we wanna keep this subject. You know I love talking about race because I'm a dark-skinned black trans woman and so when you look at from that perspective, a lot of people have pushed the white camaraderie of trans men as being able to be the ones to step in and make us strong and lift us up. But no, you know, black trans women end up.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:13:53

A lot of the times have made spaces for trans men because other parts of trans women have pushed trans men out because we've thought they've not been able to sit at the table with us because their issues are different from ours. You know, I remember a time when I was told well, they're still men, so if they're considered themselves men, their issues are different from ours.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:14:17

Well, even some of them left, but they're not.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:14:18

I mean when we talk about healthcare and HIV. You know, trans men put art at a higher risk than trans women when it comes to that, because trans men are having sex with men.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:14:27

No, sorry.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:14:29

I'm sorry.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:14:31

I got to with them too.

Blossom C Brown: 1:14:31

You're the expression of my thing right now. I got to and I love both of them.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:14:38

I get them both. We used to what you talking about Link in bio. I am gagging right now. I'm gagging too hard.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:14:45

But you know what, though, y'all are so right because our liberation is tied, thank you.

Blossom C Brown: 1:14:51

Our liberation is tied, thank you, and we need to be there to support each other, and I'm really glad that you said that, because that's really, really important, and I'm glad that you said that. I'm glad that you said that. I'm glad that you said that. I'm glad that you said that. I'm glad that you said that, because that's really really important. I'm over here just thinking, like you know what I mean, and especially with you, I think that you intentionally do the work to allow and create spaces for us to be able to amplify our voices, and I love that. I don't think that all white trans men do it, though I think that there are some that are in it for themselves to be quite honest with you, but it's not all of them.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:15:27

But I don't think they're necessary. I mean on so many levels. It's not about being in it for themselves. I think they feel like that is being snatched away from them. It's when we go back to that process of you know when we talk about again racism, racism. It's one of those things where we talk about oh, this is being taken from us because we don't have this.

Blossom C Brown: 1:15:49

Or.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:15:49

I can't. I don't get food stamps, or how come they got a job and they get this and they get that and they get this.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:15:56

Yeah, you have no idea how many trans men right now are just looking at this screen and going I feel seen. Thank you, you know what I'm saying.

Blossom C Brown: 1:16:03

They may be hating me right now.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:16:05

So let me make sure I care about the buttons.

Blossom C Brown: 1:16:06

Let me get a button, Cause they're gonna go on my page and some of them are gonna go on my trade page and troll me or whatever. You know. I was saying that in a way because To the trolls to the trolls.

Blossom C Brown: 1:16:17

I'm saying that in a way because of like personal experience and you're right about that nuance, because, number one, they're still trans like us or whatever, but because they technically sit at the top of the hierarchy in the trans community by being white or whatnot priority, I could understand their needs not getting met or feeling like their needs not getting met or whatever, because it's like I'm still a trans person and just being a trans person in America I don't always get good access to care. I'm coming in the doctor's office, somebody's misgendering me. There's this embarrassment, this shame about my body. I have body dysphoria and it's just, it's a lot going.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:16:55

So I get it and it's one of those things where, as you know, again, I got into this. Okay, I'm gonna take it back a little bit. I don't know how much time we have or anything, but I'm just gonna say it from this point. You know, I transitioned in nineties.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:17:09

One of the clinics I went to was Southamarket Health Center, which is located in San Francisco, and one of the other agencies I went to was Tom Waddell Clinic, which is also located in San Francisco, and it's kind of one of the hot clinics for homeless folks, but it was one of the first clinics that actually started giving trans women and trans men their injection shots and giving them medical care. One of the first agents, one of those agencies that actually did your blood work to see what your blood count looks like. It actually, you know, because so many people wanna say we just shoving out hormones, we just giving hormones away and mixing people take these and not doing any research, what we are, it's just not being recorded and it's just not being kept up, and the people that are in charge of that like CDC not necessarily wanna do the work for so many years you know it took.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:18:00

I mean, I started my again. I started my transition. I was HIV positive woman back in the nineties. I got diagnosed in the eighties. So from the eighties to the nineties when I transitioned, there was nothing for trans folks. We were either buying our hormones black market or going in the corner of some doctor's office and spending $25 and $30 to get a shot and dealing with it the best way we knew how.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:18:25

So for me at the time, you know, it was one of those things. I was going through, some stuff in life. We all have our problems and my doctor was on there. He was like I don't know what the hell I'm doing, you know, but we're gonna help you get where you wanna go because you got something you need to do. And if it wasn't for my doctor at that point in time and my very good medical case, again, it takes support. You know people always talking about what support.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:18:51

I had a really good doctor, christopher Store, and I had a really good nurse practitioner, ms Marilyn Finch-Spreller from San Francisco, and they were there for me for the beginning, you know, and so hoping me get my hormones and writing me scripts because he didn't know what the hell he was doing, but he knew that was gonna make my life change. As long as he paid attention to my blood works and what my levels look like, I was gonna be okay and it did work. You know, but not everybody get that. And for Trans Men it was a lot of the stuff, you know. Coming from San Francisco and moving to LA a lot of this time it was one of those things where I didn't see my trans brothers getting those services. So when I moved here, that was part of my biggest fight was fighting for my trans brothers, because in San Francisco they were there.

Blossom C Brown: 1:19:41

And we love our trans brothers.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:19:44

No, I thank you so much and so I don't. You know, when I first moved here, I didn't see a lot of that. So it's like every time I went to a meeting where we were doing something, I was like we're such and such because we need that representation, we need to hear what they need to talk about. We need to know, when we make decisions for trans folks, we're not just making them for the girls, we're making them for the guys too, because just like they're, we prostitute on the streets, they prostitute too and they need the same services in healthcare, because we're all trying to survive, you know.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:20:12

But there's so many of us in, you know and I'm just gonna throw it out there you know, just because you say you present as womanhood, there's a lot of us still involved in that pissing contest when it comes to trans services and trans healthcare and fighting. You know, often, you know, trans folks get into this corner and we don't know how to back down and just be a little patient or to give that person the opportunity to share who they are and what's going on. You know, it's always gotta be a trans woman story, but what about the men in our community?

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:20:45

You know why can't we hear what their stories are? Because theirs are just as much needed.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:20:50

Yes you know and they're the ones that often you know and this has nothing to do with the program that's out there but trans men are often very, very much invisible because they seem to present so much better than trans women and that's one of the reasons why a lot of the fights there, because trans women, if it's not for surgery, it's a lot harder for us and that's where that battle comes. But nobody sends to give the trans man that room and space to be themselves and talk about what's going on in their world.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:21:21

But you do, though, and that's the thing.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:21:23

The reason I wanted to have the two of you on is because, like black trans women especially have supported me and I want to say that clearly on a platform that there's been a lot of black trans women that have supported me, and it stood up for me and folks like you in certain spaces, because you remember even what? 12 years ago, I was the only trans man in the room. I was the only trans man in the room. There wasn't anything that you see now today, and that's why I just thank you so much again for even extending that to me, because now some of the work that I've even done I was able to shoot another episode today with another trans man earlier that you heard a little bit of, and I was able to do something similar by taking some of your privileges, which is weird to say as a black trans woman, you have privilege, but in a space like the community, there is a weird nuance that there's kind of a privilege there that you have of a platform, and then you shared that with trans men, and especially black trans men too.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:22:15

I mean, there's so many, again, different nuances of our community, and it's just like that's what I love about this podcast, that's why I love, that's why I'm trying to create these conversations with people, to have these conversations about the real things and really have like hey, I see you, you see me, I've got some resources, you've got some resources, let's do something with it, instead of this constant competition with trans men and trans men, trans women, because I'm sure there's competition within trans women and intersectionality. You're like I already won the competition. All right, we already know you won girl, but no, no, no, I'm being shady, I'm being shady.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:22:54

But. But I mean because in some but you're right though the competition that goes in with within the trans women community is just outrageous. Yeah, On so many levels, when we're all fighting for the same right, you know, it's like we tear each other down every day to go nowhere. Yeah, you know, because you're not elevating. Nobody's looking at you any different. You just another black trans woman, you know. Or you just another trans woman. So by tearing one down, you haven't stepped up anywhere. You just shown who you really are to the world. Yeah, you know, I just really feel.

Blossom C Brown: 1:23:35

And there's so many black I had to be very happy.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:23:41

I was at the drum roll. You want to hit it yeah?

Blossom C Brown: 1:23:46

Oh, okay, yeah.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:23:48

But that is a sign we are wrapping up soon. To be honest, to give us our little drum roll out. Yes, where the hell do we follow you on like?

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:23:55

Instagram. I'm on Instagram and TikTok it's Miss Lady Mocha. Are we doing well? I'm on Instagram as Sybel Simone Lureka.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:24:04

Okay, Come on name.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:24:05

Lady Mocha, yes, which is my alter ego.

Blossom C Brown: 1:24:08

Oh.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:24:10

You want to deal with Sybel, you don't want to deal with this lady? Oh, okay, because ladies want to smoke with Lady Mocha.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:24:15

Okay, I like smoking with her. Okay, she's that girl.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:24:20

Don't want to be bothered with you know.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:24:22

Remember Melziner.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:24:26

I'm trainer Sybel on TikTok. Again, I'm at Vargo Pro. If you want to book me for a class, I do have special ratings. I'm set up already. And then again you can also go to everybody's gym Los Angeles on Insipers Park, san Fernando Road, and come by the gym. If just nothing, you know, your first time coming in you get it free anyway. You know, just check out the gym and see what it's about. It might not be for you. You might be that trans girl. That trans boy just can't handle it, being around a lot of trans folks working out. I mean, it's a beautiful place but if you can handle being around other trans folks and taking off your clothes and working out a little, bit Taking off your clothes.

Blossom C Brown: 1:25:08

I knew you were running a trans boy.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:25:10

I knew it. I knew it. I told Blossom about it. I said why is she training all these trans men? She's doing something with that.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:25:16

No, Honestly you caught.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:25:19

I have a Where's the button for you got caught, girl.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:25:23

No one of my clients is just turning. Bruh. Bruh, You're in college.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:25:28

Uh-huh, so she's grooming them early.

Blossom C Brown: 1:25:31

No, I'm kidding girl, I'm girl, I know, I know, I know, y'all know, in the comments section you're going to be screened. We got to give something to.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:25:37

Twitter. Okay, we got to give him something to talk about, all right.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:25:41

Okay, this is not a cat with him session.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:25:44

We can make it Hold on. Let me get a little. Just I just want you to know, cat.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:25:48

I love you. I think you're the bomb comedian, though, and everything you say was ooh, it makes the girl think, but anyway, you know and it brought some receipts.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:25:57

I was like, oh, that I'm not gonna.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:25:59

I'm going to put it like this you know and this is my my only short tee on the comedy thing is you know I hear a lot. You know I I love Dave Chappelle as comedian. I give him his flowers for being a black man and all that. But what you've done one, two, three different series of comedic shows about trans women and I think at some point you start to look like you've been hurting, or some trans woman hurts you.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:26:29

three times a lady.

Blossom C Brown: 1:26:30

I agree.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:26:32

Because at this point and it's not really, you know, I don't want to say it in the sense, I don't want people to get the idea that I'm being jokingly about him, but it's into the point where you've spoken three different times about us. In your comedic jokes You've said what you've had to say about us. Some of us laugh at, some of us don't. Some of us want you to go die off in some kind of mountain ocean and blow up in a plane, some of us don't. You know, but as a black man, I give you your praises. You've been around, you've been at work and you're one of the most fabulous comedians I've ever seen. But at some point it becomes tiring.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:27:08

Girl, the doll that broke his heart. Please make the video so we can get all the tea.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:27:12

Yes, you know. I mean, I love the publicity of him that he gives you know, because for me that's what it looks like at this point. It's just more publicity for trans folks, and you know, on so many levels. It's one of those things when we get told as a kid you know you're either chasing, you don't care whether you have good syllabus, good advice or bad advice, you long as you get some advice. And so for this, for from his platform, at this point in time, it's one of those things where I don't care whether it's good entertainment or bad entertainment, you're still uplifting us either way it goes.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:27:45

Every time you talk about a trans person, that's crazy in the trans community because you're giving them something to search for it within the years. I mean, if you say nothing, then that would be nothing that we can platform on. That says that about trans woman. But when you're constantly boasting and constantly talking about a community, you know it's one of those things we talked about as black folks. You know, when we talk about racism and stuff in the community, you want to say black people, this, black people that, black people, this. But every time you talk about a black person, you're lifting them. Whether it's good or bad, you're still lifting me. You know it's one of those things.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:28:20

Teddy Pindagrass did a whole lot of things. He was getting his dick suck and everything else in a car accident, but did he stop making his coin? No, he did not. Bruh, you know he still got paid. So the more you talk about us, the more we get paid. The more you talk about us, the more you advertise us, the more you talk about us, the more you make space for us. Regardless of whether it's good, regardless of whether it's bad, you're still making face for the trans community, whether it's women or men. You're making that space for us Because that gives us. You know, just like everybody talking about Dave Chappelle and everybody on TikTok talking about Catwoman. I mean Cat Williams. Who is Cat Williams?

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:28:58

Well, his new name is Catwoman now, because he does get the ladies.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:29:02

He loves women. I love that, you know it was funny, because I just saw his. I saw his thing where on Friday where he grabbed the pliers from underneath the sink and told Damien he was. I'm a boy, Damien, I'm a boy, I'm a trans woman, I'm a trans woman cat, but I love you.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:29:20

You know, but I mean, look at the difference. Cat Williams is a man who knows where he's at, knows what he can offer, knows what he's bringing to the table, know who he is as a man and a comedian, allegedly. But he doesn't have to constantly have trans women in every conversation that he has and still gets his grip. He's still helping people in doing his job, whereas you got this other comedian. Every other time he talking about some. Every other time you look up he's got to throw in to make his comedic entertainment that much more popular. So I'm going to talk about this trans woman one more time, or this trans community one more time, because that's going to give me the audience that I need, the money that I need and everything else. So again you're, it's not building or tearing anybody down, it's just putting a little bit more money in your pocket because you've got folks now listening to what, what you're saying, whether it's good or bad, and radio stations and all of those are talking.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:30:18

So well, on that note, I'm going to have to say I I'm going to make a conspiracy theory that maybe Dave Chappelle is actually a secret activist and he's really just trying to bring our name out there so much that it brings that conversation forward. I was looking at that.

Sabel Samone-loreca: 1:30:35

I was looking at that.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:30:37

With the conspiracy theory right there. I want to thank you, sebel, so much for coming today and having this conversation. Thank you for the work you've done, everything you are as a legend. I hope people look you up and Google you and find out more about you, your story, how to support you, get trained by you. Well, you know I love you. You know like we love getting into trouble to get. Stay tuned for more episodes on transparency podcasts. My name is Shane Ivan Nash. I'm your host for the day. This is Blossom C Brown and this is it. This is the episode. That's it, bye, please subscribe.

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