Journey in Transmasculine Activism, Art, and Entrepreneurship w/ Leon Mostovoy

Join the conversation with Leon Mostovoy, a beacon of resilience and empowerment in the transmasculine community, as we navigate the rich tapestry of his life as an activist, artist, and entrepreneur.

 We shine a light on the nuanced challenges and victories that define the transmasculine experience, all while honoring the strength that artistry and advocacy bring to the forefront of this often-overlooked narrative.

Wrapping up with a candid discussion on the entrepreneurial spirit and the trials of partnership in a transmasculine context, this episode is an inspiring call to action for community collaboration and increased visibility. Whether navigating business, personal relationships, or societal pressures, Leon's insights offer guidance and hope.

We invite you to engage with us in this deeply personal and empowering journey, celebrating the achievements of the trans community and the relentless pursuit of authenticity and unity.


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Transcript

Leon Mostovoy: 0:00

Back in the 1800s when I transitioned.

Shane Ivan Nash: 0:02

And we're bringing transmasc history forward. Okay, it's true it is, and I'm here for it.

Leon Mostovoy: 0:06

Yeah, yeah, Nobody was really talking about trans people in general, let alone transmasculine. It's like we did not exist. Come on, trans men as a whole is a pretty good looking group of men. Come on, I'm the Virgo. I'm the business guy. There's the face what this person of which we speak of.

Shane Ivan Nash: 0:26

Allegedly, allegedly.

Leon Mostovoy: 0:29

Of who shall not be named. It was crashing and burning. It was not his money, it was all my money. Wow, okay.

Blossom C Brown : 0:38

Right.

Shane Ivan Nash: 0:39

Right, blossom can answer that for you. Oh, this is the Transparency Podcast Show. Welcome to the Transparency Podcast. My name is Shane Ivan Nass and I'm with your co-host, blossom Brown, which I still have not yet to learn my name, blossom, what? This is like? The fourth episode that I keep messing up my name.

Blossom C Brown : 0:59

Oh my gosh, and then you forgot it's Blossom C Brown it is.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:03

It is with a C and you know what? It's also Black History Month as well, so we're celebrating in more ways than one on this episode. I have an amazing guest today, honestly, somebody that I've known for God I feel like a decade or longer than that and it's also an icon in the trans community and a transmasculine community, which is extremely important, as you know, to me, and I wanted to uplift them today. Leon, how the hell are you doing? And welcome to the show.

Leon Mostovoy: 1:27

Welcome. You're doing well. Thank you both for having me. You're all to be here Thank you, you're welcome.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:35

So what we were talking about earlier, mushrooms.

Leon Mostovoy: 1:37

No, we just jumped right in. A good one Just jumped right in. Yes, I own a cannabis delivery service and I've been in the field of cannabis on my company for nine years and I really believe in the properties of microdosing mushrooms. I sell them. People ask me a lot is it legal? It's not legal like Prop 64. It's that really nice gray area where we could get things done like Prop 215, like free. So it's not illegal.

Shane Ivan Nash: 2:07

Yeah, I love that you're quoting 215 folks that are on legal cannabis. They have no idea what yeah, they don't even know the history of cannabis and that's cool that, like transmask folks are kind of a part of that history as well too.

Leon Mostovoy: 2:19

Right, right. So Prop 215 stands for the Compassionate Act Law. I did a lot of work in my art career and with ACT UP in New York City and in and around AIDS and then also I also did a lot of work. I'm old, I was like a counselor and rehab and worked at Providence Hospital and stuff and saw a lot of people in our community Also struggling with drugs and stuff.

Shane Ivan Nash: 2:50

I have no history.

Leon Mostovoy: 2:51

So if you combine those and you take that, it really is the safer, easier, softer path of healing our community. And I like to get high.

Blossom C Brown : 3:05

Yeah, because being high is a vibe, right, right, it's self-care, it's a form to self-care, right yeah.

Shane Ivan Nash: 3:13

Now, leon, I wanted to bring you here honestly because, again, it's really important to highlight a lot of the stuff that transmask folks have done. Our history has been erased far too often, and your photography is one of the first things that I noticed about you. It's something that really hit my radar. It's so beautiful the way that you film bodies and you empowered especially transmask folks to feel beautiful within their body, and I just wanted to hear you expand more on, like, where did you start from that? Like, how did you what? Said I'm gonna pick up a camera and I'm gonna make a change in the world, because I really feel like you have.

Leon Mostovoy: 3:49

Thank you, I appreciate that. So my whole journey started. I've always been, I consider myself, I'm an activist and art is my vehicle, and it's always been like that, all of my series, even starting, I was known as a lesbian, like erotic photographer, which was very political at the time. The women weren't showing their bodies, they weren't allowed to be like that, they weren't allowed to dress sexy. There was the whole thing. This was like the early 80s, going into the 90s. They barely got credit cards, really Right, yeah, so to say that one, I am against the patriarchy. However, I get to be feminine, I get to have sexual identity. It can't be one side or the other, so even starting political like that. So all my work was like very feminist related and political.

Leon Mostovoy: 4:51

I did a lot of work for Act Up. I had was part of Art Positive. There were two main groups, art groups, so there was Grand Fury and Art Positive, and we still have her in a show. The work of Art Positive is in a show coming up again in a few months. Okay, so then, fast forward. It's really about me and my community and showing the world what I know and I know how we're special and I know how important and different it is and documenting that. That's why I consider myself like a documentarian. I hope that they're nice art, I hope it's a come and do good artwork, I hope. But I'm really like an activist and a documentarian. So as I transition which was also very early on and there was In the 1900s correct.

Blossom C Brown : 5:47

Yes.

Leon Mostovoy: 5:48

Allegedly. Yes, I am a vampire. Ooh, you guys knew that right. Yes, I've got. Yeah, it's very difficult, I'm gonna have to get out of these slides. It's very slow, so yeah, so back in the 1800s, when I transitioned, no, there was no-. Listen, we're bringing transmask history forward.

Blossom C Brown : 6:08

Okay, it is and I'm here for it. Yes, yeah.

Leon Mostovoy: 6:11

No, it was really important and it wasn't seen and so really, with death of my daughter, which I think was like really a big breakthrough, and that was in 2009. So nobody was really talking about trans people in general, let alone transmasculine. It's like we did not exist. There was original plumbing, yeah, and that was amazing and that that was it. Yeah, there was nothing else. That thing else. You know, there was Lauren, his physique book, which came and went very quickly and that was very early on. Original plumbing was at the same time. I was, but that was it. So the thing about death of my daughter was two things One, when my mother really did announce, you know, that I was dead to the family and they just couldn't wrap their head around it and all of that. And I felt that because I was with all queer people and mainly I was married to a lesbian who's, you know, her license plate says Les Ride. I mean, she's very much a lesbian.

Shane Ivan Nash: 7:16

That's a stunk old much.

Leon Mostovoy: 7:17

Yeah, yeah, like very well, very femme. And that was one thing, because I only went out with femmes and with her she was saying and a lot of femmes are like this, well, I'm with a very masculine, I didn't transition, like a lot of people are like you don't really look that different. The hair went from the top of your head to the bottom of your face. I really don't see that much of a difference. So it was always like, luckily, like I feel like An athlete and you know very straight, you know muscular and you know just kind of.

Shane Ivan Nash: 7:48

Giving this gender man.

Leon Mostovoy: 7:49

Yeah, it was always like a guy, so anyways. But she used to say and I didn't really realize this, plus, I don't hold somebody's identity. You know you're taking away my identity, because when we're not together I'm very much, you know, queer. Yeah, now that you're a guy and you look like a guy and you pass this guy because I am a guy, she's like, but then you've taken away my identity. Yeah, now, two big problems like with that being that average Korean psychology and she's a therapist is you don't hold anybody else's identity. That's your own identity to hold and to being a femme in this community. Like unless, seriously unless you're in Nuance in New York or you're in San Francisco, girlfriend, in LA, everybody thinks you're a straight girl. They don't even think femmes exist, right, yeah, so there's not even a place.

Shane Ivan Nash: 8:50

So I'm like and there's no lesbian bars. I mean the one that we had oxwood in is gone. Yeah, Like there's.

Leon Mostovoy: 8:58

Yeah, there's actually yeah, so what are you?

Shane Ivan Nash: 9:00

27 in the entire country. I believe that there's less than 10 left. Yeah, there's like anything that wow. And there's 67,000 bars throughout the entire United States. It's crazy.

Leon Mostovoy: 9:09

Yeah, yeah, and the Lexington in San Francisco, which is amazing. And yeah, and I was a good guy in this show that I'm in in June Maybe you know I'm Ace Morgan, since San Francisco, and a photographer. Yeah, you know I was at the gym and stuff, so Ace was in the show, but he was photographer at the Lexington and so that was, yeah, like it's all gone.

Shane Ivan Nash: 9:33

Yeah, so we were going to just rattle that out, that culture, yeah yeah, and that's one thing that Blossom really loves to talk about a lot is how our liberation is tied, and it's one thing that I can really see with trans women and trans men and how we've lost spaces and how the patriarchy affects us both in different ways, but it's still harmful, and some of the work that you have done throughout history. I mean, I've seen some photos. I mean like there's like black and white photos from like you marching in the streets and like what was your early life in activism? Like what did that look like? How did you get to act up? Like what was that moment for you? Cause that's really important. You know, at least from I am really into HIV research and care, especially with what happened to me and I needed a PEP emergency incident, and Blossom actually does a lot of research in HIV as well with like folks like Gilead. So where did you find your path to act?

Leon Mostovoy: 10:32

I was living in San Francisco and I did, I did.

Leon Mostovoy: 10:35

The first was actually the second National March on Washington where they had the AIDS School and all of that, and I was running a photo lab and again, all my work was, you know, I was doing a market street cinema and I just always been around like and sex workers, sex workers and especially like butchers, sort of navigated towards each other because, one, it was very difficult to find jobs and if you were masculine, identified like I was, you know, I just am who I am right.

Leon Mostovoy: 11:11

Obviously there's a problem because this is the easier way to identify, as I do now. Always looking as masculine as you do is actually a very hard path, you know, just like to be a very effeminate man. So back in the 80s it was in the 80s, just not that long ago it was very difficult to find a job. Now thumbs could become sex workers, which you know, and then some chose to do it. I work in a lab nine to five which I think I mean I'd be a horrible sex worker, you know, so like I wouldn't make any money first of all.

Leon Mostovoy: 11:46

But you know also these very smart women who are, like you know, like you know, my partners. You know I was Well, that's I mean kind of we're sex workers and so we, through that, there were so many people with AIDS and so we're around that. So if you're in San Francisco and it's in the mid 80s and you've done all of this, you really are seeing the people around you die. So that could be either mostly the gay men, but also because of the fact you know, honestly, we were, we were punks, we were junkies. It was very risky so saying, to many people die.

Leon Mostovoy: 12:22

Then when I moved to New York, I was the person you know that I got the place on a old friend of mine. He was already and this is 1988, going on 89 when it first started in the original act up in New York on the West side, and so all that was part of it. And then my roommate, ray Navarro, became very big activist and there's been a lot that was put out about Ray. Ray died, unfortunately when he was 27. That was 93, he was my roommate, so I do what I do best. Which was picked up a camera Me, lola Flash, was part of Art Positive, although Hernandez, julie Taunts, you know, like some really big people who have gone on to be big, there were just like people in 20s, you know, college kids.

Leon Mostovoy: 13:16

I was just like crazy ass junkie photographer who just made a lot of what I did was, I told you, I worked in labs mainly, you know, worked in labs. And then, yeah, and then, and then, you know, and he's, you know, diviana, you know they're sex workers and my partner, you know. So we could make a lot of art and it was really about that scare and that nobody was helping us and I think that the double-edged sword of A and it really is is also looking at that's when Queers got the power. That they did because through all the daft, through watching you know, my friends in their 20s, my roommate Ray, like I, was the one that was like that's summer, I was like dude because he was such a big activist, so well-known as an artist and activist, like he wasn't telling anybody and I was just like, but he's my roommate and he was like dude, there's no way there's something going on right.

Leon Mostovoy: 14:21

And then we were taking the train across to where we worked in you know Manhattan, they're on the west side. He just collapsed going down the stairs and got meningitis, like that. So to watch like young people like dying around you and them not doing anything, but to enhance that power where you know and that's why we're not really fucked with now, like Disney and stuff, they're like oh fuck, no, I didn't take away the requires money, you crazy, because it also came out to show we're united. And if you put all the money together and you put the cause and you put all the political powers together like just take Harvey Melk and stuff you take all of the super intelligent, all of the political people, all of the men that run corporations, you know like mainly talking about white, gay, male money, right yeah we know what we're talking about.

Shane Ivan Nash: 15:19

Yeah, we know what we're talking about.

Leon Mostovoy: 15:20

We're talking about the big white gay man.

Blossom C Brown : 15:22

You know what is Money House, but I'm so glad you said that, because people who look at this need to hear that from someone like you, and obviously I am not a trans masculine person. I mean, it's quite clear Hit a button, hit a button, hit me a button.

Shane Ivan Nash: 15:43

It's very clear I have to do that one. I am not a trans masculine person.

Blossom C Brown : 15:50

but I wanted to go back to that trans masculine erasure and, if you feel comfortable, jumping over or not go for it. So, in this day and time, with so much going on or what not, what do you think needs to happen to prevent trans masculine erasure, or what needs to change? What do you, how do you feel? I?

Leon Mostovoy: 16:13

don't think that it's really ever been there, like with death of my daughter.

Leon Mostovoy: 16:18

The reason I was saying that and exploring on and exploring who we were and to talk about our experience, and is because nobody had done that. Nobody had even and I mean again this ancient history for trans people being vocal and having a platform certainly trans men. We still don't even have a platform. So, back in 2009, for 10 individual men to say, first of all, this is the death right, this is putting to death, these are the social and the political and the patriarchal obligations. On the parental obligations, which also, I think, resonated because everybody has that.

Leon Mostovoy: 17:03

It's more apparent if you're trans, but every child grows up with that, so that makes a more universal message as far as trans men, nobody and this is who I am and this is an each man breaks apart the experience. So, and now fast forward to, let's say, the other really big project, and I did a lot of books we did I'm fashioning masculinity, like showing men that were just that, we were out there and that we're like you know, like Actually, you know, come on, trans men as a whore is pretty good looking group of men.

Blossom C Brown : 17:45

Right Full trans.

Shane Ivan Nash: 17:45

Right Blossom can answer that for you. Oh, oh, oh oh.

Blossom C Brown : 17:51

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we do great. Hey, I've had my fair share of being a real extrovert, tea for tea.

Shane Ivan Nash: 17:58

That's for another episode, though. Oh, I want to hear that.

Leon Mostovoy: 18:02

I definitely going to sit in the corner for that episode.

Shane Ivan Nash: 18:05

That was a long button. That's not right. That was long the nothing. Well, we can do a. Oh, it could be a ball too, oh yeah, I know, my favorite Shot away.

Blossom C Brown : 18:15

It's spooky, just push buttons around. Oh yeah, no, we play around. We do too much.

Shane Ivan Nash: 18:19

Nice, but as we digress into madness, let's get back to actually. Yeah, we know, sorry, love it, we're messing. You gotta have fun. One thing that I wanted to add on, with Blossom as well, is about trans male erasure. I concur.

Leon Mostovoy: 18:35

I don't think it's ever been there.

Shane Ivan Nash: 18:37

Erase it from where we don't even have it yet, and I see that happen unfortunately far too often with folks who've done work, even in different mediums, in different forums, different businesses, they've kind of been erased after a certain point of their work. It's been kind of sad to see that. That's why I've been really intentional about specifically bringing trans mass folks and icons like yourself so you can tell your story, how we can really help with that visibility, because I mean Blossom, the only way that I feel like we can do it is moments like this podcast and really telling folks stories Because, as he said and as you know, there's no visibility for trans men in the way that folks assume that there is. I mean, there's some media things that are happening.

Blossom C Brown : 19:25

Oh, she's about to ask you about that.

Shane Ivan Nash: 19:26

Yeah, there's a few things that happen in media and a few influencers that popped up on TikTok, but in terms of resources, we've got nothing at the end of the day and a lot of the work that I've seen many different trans mass individuals just completely erased for some, whatever reason, patriarchal structures, et cetera, et cetera that we're fighting. So my question to you is how do you think that we as a community can learn to express again better ways to fight the patriarch? I feel like, as trans men, we live in this weird world where it's like we have access to male privilege. When we go to the liquor store, the guy is like, hey, what's up, bro, how you doing? But at the same time, when we go into spaces like jobs or actual equitable spaces where we have to be known as who we are fully, we lose all that privilege. So where do you feel that we can address that? And then, how do you feel about that and have you experienced that as well?

Shane Ivan Nash: 20:23

I know it's a lot of questions. Okay, shane, listen, I want wisdom from you because I want the younger generation to actually hear because you've really been there at the beginning when everything was forming, and there's this conversation that the T should be separated from LGBT, and what you said earlier just proves the reason why LGBT is together is because we were able to consolidate power. That's why ACT UP happens. So again, it's a lot there to answer, but I'll give you the floor to let it go on whichever subject you wanted to jump in on.

Leon Mostovoy: 20:51

Well, I think one. The T has always been there and you want to keep it there and that's why I do like using the Q. I just don't go on to the alphabet more than that. But that only also represents me because I am in a weird. I am a straight trans man, so you have to explain that to people.

Leon Mostovoy: 21:17

So, yes, my gender is male, but that has not changed my sexuality, which is that I have attracted to women and getting people to understand that it's no different than a gay man who transitions. No, he's not a lesbian, he's a man. Yeah, therefore, he's a gay man. It doesn't change or make your transition ridiculous if your sexuality and your gender are so different. But so I think that I think that's important, and I think it's important to be inclusive, because when you keep dividing and dividing, you know, is how we lose power, which is the whole power structure, which is, you know, taking these playbooks from fascist communities, and they're doing that because you divide and you divide and you push one person against the other, which is classic of what's going on in this country now, which has gone on many times, and in this country, just in the 1940s, people would know their history, which is very important.

Shane Ivan Nash: 22:30

History repeats itself, right.

Leon Mostovoy: 22:32

And if you think about the way the Nazis did it first they came in and took out all of the trends and queer people.

Shane Ivan Nash: 22:39

Exactly what we're seeing today. That's what? Yeah, that's literally why I wrote this book. It's the easiest to start with.

Leon Mostovoy: 22:45

Then they moved on. I am a trans Jew, so I get it on all sides. Now the other thing is what you are asking about like business and stuff. One thing is my art and that's my focal point and that's why I also with like trans figure, where the whole thing was like you know, cutting it up into like a children's playbook, because the point is you don't even know what you're discriminating against. Try to line up these bodies yeah, in fact, people with me, even in front of them, and that book. I was lucky that both of you know of all the trans work that I've done and again I'm representing myself because I'm representing hopefully I'm speaking about an entire community. When I did all the work with sex workers and the book, you know Marcus Street Cinema. Hopefully I'm speaking for all of the women. You know, but you know to have that. You know that voice there isn't.

Leon Mostovoy: 23:45

I think that people are prejudiced because they don't know. Now I think there are places for people to know and places for them not to know. I have this conversation, debate a lot with my friends of like well, if you're a man, there's to be a man, and then why would you even tell anybody that you're trans. I mean, the whole point is to be a man, and you're a man, and so and I think there's only two places that I am vocal about that, and I'll tell you why. Okay, so one, and I've been married and divorced three times, and then a fiance.

Leon Mostovoy: 24:25

I think I'm good in that department. I apparently am not good there. So one, though, would be with a sexual partner, of course, you know, I mean even for a one-night stand, of course. The next one would be with my artwork and getting a message across, because, again, that's my vehicle, that's my activism, that's the way I believe, that I believe in equality. I've always thought, you know, I was raised an activist. You know my parents Jews, you know. So, like you know, there's that Now, when it comes to my business, or just walking down the street or whatever, nobody needs to know I'm trans, and nobody needs to know that I'm trans with my cannabis company, because it's another fucking business. That has nothing to do with me being the best. If picking out the best weed, hunting down the best mushrooms, hunting down the best animals, hunting down the best vape pens, who can pull out providing the plug?

Shane Ivan Nash: 25:28

The plug is now available on Transparency Podcasts. Are we going to have a blog?

Leon Mostovoy: 25:34

I've got to pass these little suckers around for everybody, stickers for everybody, you know. But anyway, that's because it's supposed to be. It took you a minute to buy that.

Blossom C Brown : 25:47

I'm running away.

Leon Mostovoy: 25:49

Oh seriously, this is for everybody. Feel free to pass those around, yes, All the people that come in.

Leon Mostovoy: 25:57

But so I mean that in the way that, because I don't want that to color every aspect of my life. Yes, it's very important and that's why I do the artwork that I do. That's why I'm so blessed that you know, of the three films, one about when I was in the prison system that I was blessed enough to do with Cheryl Dane and Angela Davis. In fact, it's mainly just me and Angela Davis on the film. It's a short but that's pretty sweet and I have really long. I naturally have blonde hair. I told a partner a long time ago I'll go oh yeah, well, I have blonde hair and she's like dude. If you looked in the mirror, you have gray hair. I was like what?

Shane Ivan Nash: 26:42

Age has creeped up on you, right? You're like, oh shit, what You're kidding me, shit.

Leon Mostovoy: 26:45

Love it. But you know, in that aspect, you know it's important. But for me, as a business person, I also people should know like that doesn't rule my life. I'm still an intelligent person, I'm still whatever I am. I'm a business person, I'm an artist, I'm, you know, I'm in healthcare, you know important things, I'm a teacher, I'm a professor.

Leon Mostovoy: 27:13

That should not just be like, oh, this is your identity and that's why I think we lose a lot of power. It's like when we were, you know, coming out the whole thing, which was also, you know, when we were in New York and having, because I was living there, but you know, that's when queer nation was there and everything, and the whole idea of outing Now forced outing, is not cool, you know. But I do believe that's the same way with trans people. So, yes, you know I'm trans. That's amazing, great. And I also, you know, just built this cool ass, fucking electric car that's going to take over the world. You know like you can get to be both things.

Leon Mostovoy: 28:00

You know I'm like I said, because I'm an activist and all, and I'm an artist. I just you choose to and I've always chosen to use that platform. In fact, at first people weren't making the connection that Leon Monster Boy was Tracy Monster Boy. So I changed everything and it don't have it on my website now. What I do in the first paragraph and stuff was I had to read everything because when I was and that's when I first got it like a lot more like people coming out and being like, oh my God, wait, you're Tracy, the one who's already had so many publications. But as feminists, as act up as a lesbian erotic photographer was my main thing, yeah.

Leon Mostovoy: 28:46

Because, you had an identity as a bunch of lesbian. Yeah, yeah and yeah, it was all about, like you know, and people knew you from that yeah they knew me really well from on our backs.

Blossom C Brown : 28:56

Yeah, I really want to ask this question how do you feel about people who are not transmasculine better sizing of transmasculine bodies, you know and I think it's really important that I ask this, especially for those that are watching this that are not transmasculine? Like what are your thoughts around that?

Leon Mostovoy: 29:20

You mean people that are doing it as for themselves, because they want to look like that, or people that are feminizing for like a sex object.

Blossom C Brown : 29:30

I feel like people that are doing it just to be annoying and just to kind of just I'm trying to forget how to say it just better sizing the bodies of transmasculine people. You know, I have a firm belief that we, as trans people, we're not characters, but we are treated like characters to cis people and although I'm not a transmasculine person, I'm really curious to know what that experience looks like in the transmasculine community and like what are your thoughts around that?

Leon Mostovoy: 30:02

I think that you know, it's very much this I don't know if it still is Again, I'm very much older and I came out a long time ago and there was still like very strict. It was very much like like my friend Max Valerio wrote Justostero Piles, which was the first big book about it, and Max and I have friends. There's pictures of Max when Max was still Anita in that book that I took Because we were just old, like super, you know, like budge, punk rock dykes, together, you know artists and in the streets of San Francisco, like I was saying, you know. So, anyways, he left and came and stayed with me in New York because he was getting bullied by the lesbian community.

Blossom C Brown : 30:48

Really.

Leon Mostovoy: 30:49

It was very much, it was very difficult. Retraders or something.

Leon Mostovoy: 30:53

Yeah, like, or my ex-wife was saying to me you're not a feminist anymore the one who was saying that she lost her identity to me transitioning and me being like look at all my artwork. Like I have published tons of published works saying that I'm a feminist. All of a sudden I'm not, you know, because I'm trans man. When you were saying that. I really think that we are. I think that we're the best secret weapon for the trans community. Yeah, I agree with you. That's the way we should be. At least that's how I. It's a secret weapon. We pass. People don't know and not just only like because lots of trans women pass. It's very few and it also depends. Just like trans men, you're going through puberty as an insta guy, insta woman, so it depends how far you've been trans.

Shane Ivan Nash: 31:44

There's also genetics at play in certain times as well, and your genetics, and like If your dad was short, you're gonna be short yeah.

Blossom C Brown : 31:50

I'm short. If your dad was short, yeah, right.

Shane Ivan Nash: 31:52

Yeah, exactly, if you went bald, you're gonna go bald too.

Leon Mostovoy: 31:56

That's just how it is. I'm like. My dad is a tiny Jewish man. He was only five, eight, himself, like Jesus Christ.

Blossom C Brown : 32:02

My name is my dad, my black daddy, yeah.

Leon Mostovoy: 32:05

Yeah, I love my dad's hair, you know, yeah, but then I was like my black daddy, my black daddy, yeah, okay.

Leon Mostovoy: 32:14

Oh, yeah, but I think that also you know being the because of the patriarchy and because there's still so much sexism, you can have no really masculine features but grow that first couple of years of like. You know, like fur that you get under it starts under your neck, and then you hope for it to come out. Yeah, it's the safer every trash guy right. So. So Nothing like a good neck beard, yeah right, you get that good neck beard Like.

Leon Mostovoy: 32:43

I got more hair here than I feel like I got here. I was like him. Yeah, I know exactly.

Blossom C Brown : 32:49

You were like. You grow first.

Leon Mostovoy: 32:51

Yeah, and your neck, for some reason.

Shane Ivan Nash: 32:52

I don't know why, At least regionatically. Yeah, I got more under your hair.

Leon Mostovoy: 32:55

Yeah, like so many guys In fact. That's why when I was doing Death of my Daughter and you have to transition back into being a girl, right, but if you look at the pictures, they're, you know, like hairy guys, like Max had a full beard and some of the guys were like, oh my God, you know how long it took me to grow this mustache? Oh my God, I gotta get a straight up out of my mustache. The mustache is hard, a hard life. But well, now I'm older, now it's like out of control. But so you know, I think that you know pointing that out, and it's a double-edged sword. In that way, thank you, because you pass, which is great, and then you lose sense of your community, because community gets almost mad at you and support and a lot of.

Leon Mostovoy: 33:41

Yeah, it's something. It's a double-edged sword.

Shane Ivan Nash: 33:44

I like that yeah, yeah, it's something that I've really wanted to talk about and I'm glad that you're bringing this up because it's something that I've definitely struggled with, where it's like I've done a lot of work in different ways pre-transition and after transition.

Shane Ivan Nash: 33:57

It's almost kind of like a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation, because it's again, it's sit down and be quiet in the same way as before transition, which is patriarchal structures, but at the same time I have to live up to the structures of, you know, being the breadwinner, being this being, that being macho protector and all of these things that are thrown on us, but at the same time we don't have the same structural support that a lot of cis men actually have. That is, to actually fully actualize male privilege. A lot of the trans men that I've spoken with men of color, trans men that are white this has gone across the spectrum is it's almost like a false male privilege. It's like the ideology that again, we can go to the liquor store and it's fine, but again, when we get into deeper sides, where folks do find out we're trans, it's this idea that we are just not even worth the time, the investment or even the visibility and a lot of resources kind of get lost in that sense, and it's this weird structure that it's hard to kind of address because at the same time I'm fully aware of my white male privilege that I do carry, but at the same time I'm 100% trans.

Shane Ivan Nash: 35:09

I definitely have a vagina like, even though some folks are like are you trans? Yes, yes, where's the button for that? Wait, I said bruh.

Blossom C Brown : 35:48

Wait, why did?

Shane Ivan Nash: 35:48

you say not fair. I don't know who pushed your button. It is not fair actually Actually no hold on. It is not fair because I'm a size 13 in men's shoes and God robbed me. Okay, I would have had a drink size. Your feet are bigger than mine, okay, like.

Blossom C Brown : 36:02

I would have been like this okay, yeah, your feet are bigger than mine, now that I think of it.

Shane Ivan Nash: 36:06

God is like fake bruh. I got robbed in that sense, so that button is actually accurate. Okay, but that's the thing is like we are still trans at the end of the day. We still have resources, healthcare, a lot of the gaps in the services just do not exist, like. I still have a lot of fear about getting older as a trans man because, like, are they gonna properly even know how to take care of me, my doctor still doesn't know what the fuck she's doing.

Leon Mostovoy: 36:31

Because I don't wanna go to.

Leon Mostovoy: 36:34

I could go back to the center where I started a million years ago and everybody goes. However, I live in Claremont I don't live close anymore and I've been doing this for so long and it's just like and I have insurance, not great insurance, california cover I go Obama, but I got insurance right, so I'm like I can get it on my insurance. My doctor still fucks it up every time, even my shot. How many times I tell you now I take my shot once a week, once a month, and still I'm like lady.

Shane Ivan Nash: 37:09

Yeah, no, I have this similar issue. Why I went off to Sostro and actually is the inconsistency of care, because it's just not there and I was afraid that I'm like a guinea pig getting shot in the dark, to a degree, because there's just a lot of work that still needs to be done for trans men specifically.

Leon Mostovoy: 37:25

You know what you were talking about. I think that, yes, there's health and all of that, but really what I think stops trans men is not so much if people find out if they're trans or not. I know a few people. I don't let anybody know. I was much more open about it. Yeah, first of all, it's my company. I do the fuck I want, but people are liking it. I don't want to lose business. I don't care what you think of me. Give me your money. Seriously, I don't care. Emotion-insulting trans things around, all of this going down and a trans person trying to teach my child to cut their dick off, and I could be like you're talking to a trans guy, yeah. Or I could be like give me that $200. I'm backing up out of your driveway.

Blossom C Brown : 38:12

Yeah, if honestly to hear you say that Shane really just broke my heart to hear that, especially when I'm thinking about trans masculine individuals who don't live in California, who don't have access to insurance and we're in such a political climate where our trans care is in danger.

Leon Mostovoy: 38:33

Right.

Blossom C Brown : 38:33

There are states that are literally trying to ban trans care. Yeah, completely, and our trans masculine community will be affected by this.

Leon Mostovoy: 38:41

Well, yeah, both I think. I think that's evenly across the board, but what I think the real problem is is the way we're socialized, the reason trans men do not talk about it. Oh my God, we're having this conversation.

Shane Ivan Nash: 38:55

Yeah, you don't understand, this is the conversation we have in the living rooms. But if we're going to do it, let's do it, because I'm ready for it.

Blossom C Brown : 39:03

Let me get my stuff together.

Leon Mostovoy: 39:04

Let me put it this is what I think forever. Is that the way we're socialized?

Shane Ivan Nash: 39:10

Let's add some allegedly just in case for the Twitter comments.

Blossom C Brown : 39:13

Yeah yeah, allegedly this is his opinion and our opinion, yeah, my opinion.

Leon Mostovoy: 39:17

This is an opinion show, I wouldn't say allegedly. Men are treated with a different psychology, little boys as opposed to little girls. So even though it's getting more, even it is not the same psychology that you get. You are not treated the same, the expectations are not the same. And as much as my parents, I was very lucky Growing up. I mean what? When I was a little kid and knew I was a boy and asked for like, what was that? Willful ball and a T-bat? At five, I was like 67. My mom, let me do that. My parents, let me play basketball. My parents, let me play basketball.

Shane Ivan Nash: 39:55

I was doing that in the 90s and it was still huge back then.

Leon Mostovoy: 39:57

So the fact that you were doing it back then, once they got on it, it was clear my mom stopped talking to me, but when I was just a tough boy it was fine, so I was very fortunate. However, that is not the same as being socialized, and so the reason why I think that trans women are more successful than trans men is that it's not so much the way you look. Most trans men pass. There's a lot of short guys. I know cis guys that are sort of me right.

Shane Ivan Nash: 40:24

That's not a big deal Not all the short kings out there.

Blossom C Brown : 40:26

Yeah, right, yeah, yeah, short kings.

Leon Mostovoy: 40:30

So I don't think it's just like. There's a lot of tall women out there, so I don't think it's that so much Tall women Right, and most of them are models, to be fair. Exactly, they're all models, so that's great for you guys.

Blossom C Brown : 40:42

I'm tall woman, yeah you know, right.

Leon Mostovoy: 40:46

See, you're on your way to make a supermodel. I don't know right now booked right after this. Booking starts. Booking starts.

Blossom C Brown : 40:55

Bless.

Leon Mostovoy: 40:57

But the way that you are, then if you are socialized as a child, the most fermented years, as we know, are from zero to five, and you were socialized from zero to five because your parents don't even really know, they're just going along with whatever, but more or less your social cues, everything are these cues. You already have this idea in your head. Yes, I perform, yes, I do this. Yes, I'm the rebel, but I'm a rebel, okay. So, even though you know that you're a woman, you still have that psychology.

Leon Mostovoy: 41:28

Now, trans men were not socialized like that. So all of a sudden and it is very much a double, especially in relationships, let me tell you, three times divorced is that even now? You know, they know your trends and all that. You are still like all women. They do want that security and obviously no men are out slaying lions right now. Right, how are you showing it? You're showing it financially. You're showing it with that kind of cushion, with that sort of like, of course, all the other things you can do. And you know, yeah, you know, watch me. You know, like on the jungle gym here, the beach, yada, yada, not the jungle gym.

Shane Ivan Nash: 42:15

Yeah, yeah, yeah, me too said the jungle gym, yeah, I got that. That's where the mushrooms are at.

Leon Mostovoy: 42:22

Yeah right, Watch me swing. I swing so high, Is that so?

Shane Ivan Nash: 42:26

There's the new slogan to do mushroom back.

Leon Mostovoy: 42:28

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I totally you know. But see, that's that's what I mean, is that? So it's difficult because we weren't raised like that, and to then change that psychology. You know, I, my parents, my father, both of them they were very much feminists. My sister took over my dad's company as a CEO. I mean it was a school organization but we had like 75 schools. I mean they have more now that she lost her job, but you know, so it wasn't so much that, but it's still this idea that you're not like, not even with like how to be assertive in a relationship or with a partner, or how to be assertive with man to man.

Leon Mostovoy: 43:16

I got really messed up, you know, and women go through the same thing. Because women have a different. They do have a different language. You grew up with a different language and you can walk in and think, you know, this used to really fuck me up when I first transitioned because I was sort of like, you know, my wife at the time was just like oh my God, you're like Insta-man. I like realized and I freaked her out because she was like, like, within like nine months, I just like nobody knew it, I was total dude. I got top surgery like right away, within like the second month, so like, but I didn't know how to act around like straight dude, you know the urinal rule.

Leon Mostovoy: 44:00

Like you had to learn the urinal rule.

Shane Ivan Nash: 44:02

Yeah well, you're not supposed to stand next to the guy. There's supposed to be a urinal actually. Like all. There's all these like little things in the male world that I had to learn in my early 20s. Usually you learn like when you're 12 and you're like in middle school, but there's like these rules for men that they engage in certain ways and certain spaces. And no one can teach you these things. You kind of have to know them or be taught through your childhood of upbringing.

Leon Mostovoy: 44:25

And the way you interact like and I. One thing I do appreciate about guys but I've always and this is true that if you're trans, you know like born trans, you're born with the psychology, the brain of that sex, not the sex of your body. So I've never really, I never even called myself a girl when I was female body. In fact, I've always referred to myself as female body. Never a female, never a woman.

Blossom C Brown : 44:52

Female body I'm glad you said that and it reminds me of a conversation that Lath Ashley, who we love so much, was talking about. I, the way that you explain being socialized was so interesting because I've never heard it in that way. The way I remember Lath talking about it was trans. Men are socialized as female and so usually they're the ones that have to sit in the back not say anything. They have to be more of the nurturer and all of the things or whatever, and when I think of that I'm like, oh, I never really thought of that, but the way that you explained it was a whole different perspective and as someone who is not trans masculine, I find it very interesting and I'm grateful to learn all of that. So thank you both for doing that. Now you know I'm gonna have to switch it cause I'm gonna be a little messy, because this is the transparency podcast show.

Shane Ivan Nash: 45:41

By the way, we're not sponsored by Red Bull yet, but if Red Bull likes to sponsor us. This is my favorite flavor.

Blossom C Brown : 45:46

I like the pineapple version.

Shane Ivan Nash: 45:47

So yes, let's get into the tea.

Leon Mostovoy: 45:50

Yeah, we gotta get a good book. Oh look, there's only 15 minutes, so you better get into the dirty stuff you already know.

Shane Ivan Nash: 45:56

Get the evil laugh.

Leon Mostovoy: 45:59

Oh, that's shit, that's shit.

Blossom C Brown : 46:02

Now, okay, now you already know what it's about to be. Now, you were known to hang around an interesting trans masculine person. He calls himself a transsexual, he was an adult entertainment and one thing I would say shout out to all of our trans masculine sex workers out there, we are pro-ho around here 100% Hello. Can we get something?

Shane Ivan Nash: 46:28

We're pro-ho around here.

Blossom C Brown : 46:31

Yeah, we're pro-ho around here. Oh, you were known to hang around a certain trans masculine individual or whatnot. And on a personal level I think, because of my personal experience with him, I think he's despicable, I think he's disgusting, I think that he's very transphobic and I feel like Wait, girl, what's the question, though? I feel like, I feel like what are you talking?

Leon Mostovoy: 46:57

about oh, should we drop a name?

Shane Ivan Nash: 46:59

I mean like I said we're not sponsored by Red Bull yet, but we are being brought to you by Red Bull at the moment because we got wings to this, I think.

Blossom C Brown : 47:07

Yeah, I think that this individual who's trans masculine I'm sure he's gonna watch this episode very clearly because I'm gonna make a reaction video with the thumbnail of them on it. In my personal view, because of the lying and the sneaking that they've done or whatever, I don't think they're a great person and it is what it is, but you used to hang with that person or be associated with that person and I guess my question is what shifted for you to not be friends with this type of person or attract people like this particular trans man who's white, by the way into your life. What happened? What's the team? I was feeling it we ready? Okay, yes, I know I got one.

Leon Mostovoy: 48:00

Okay, so here we go. So first of all, myself and this person being the same age, having trans just a long time ago, being from like similar, you know-.

Shane Ivan Nash: 48:13

You guys are like brothers, at least that's why I perceived it. Yeah, yeah.

Leon Mostovoy: 48:19

Looking alike, allegedly. You know, I like that.

Shane Ivan Nash: 48:22

Sounding alike too, personality is very different though we see that though.

Blossom C Brown : 48:25

What.

Shane Ivan Nash: 48:25

Personality is very different.

Blossom C Brown : 48:27

Yeah, I can't believe it. You see that Beautiful.

Shane Ivan Nash: 48:29

That's why you read the book. You don't just look at the cover. Yeah, Right. So you know that plays back into trans masculinity. Sorry, I'm just adding more of a delay because we have to have the dramatic. We have to because we know it's about to come and I'm giving you more time to think.

Leon Mostovoy: 48:43

No, I know I just it's pretty simple. So we got together with this concept. Being like I said, I told you, I own a cannabis delivery service and I believe in the properties of cannabis, so does this individual.

Shane Ivan Nash: 48:56

Support his business. All your cannabis should be purchased now by him. So that's how that works. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and you get this and you get the last three days, exactly, exactly, and we'll get the links on it on the video for you later. So we'll have that.

Leon Mostovoy: 49:08

So, anyways, so we had this idea to start, because of this person's Without any more teacups. Because of this person's, we hadn't spoken for a long time.

Shane Ivan Nash: 49:21

I do have my name on my teacup. I'm coming to prayer.

Leon Mostovoy: 49:23

Yeah, there was a lot of. There's a lot of crazy gossip from like the 90s about this person and even this person and me and my partner at the time, and lots of fun stuff. So anyways, we didn't talk. Then we hooked up somehow on internet. It was asking this question about a dog and I'm a dog lover. I am a dog daddy, you know.

Shane Ivan Nash: 49:46

Yeah, I remember you would bring your dogs to the events and it was cutest. Yeah, you know, yeah.

Leon Mostovoy: 49:51

I mean people asked me if I dopped. I said you know if that's my biological dog?

Shane Ivan Nash: 49:54

Yeah, that's your baby.

Leon Mostovoy: 49:55

That's. Yeah, that's my son. I did not adopt him, so, anyways, we get together and we have this idea to do a cannabis company just focused. And this is the long time ago. This is like I mean for cannabis. This is 2017. Like no, it's not even. It's still Prop 215. This is like the golden, golden west baby, when the taxes weren't that bad.

Leon Mostovoy: 50:18

Remember when the taxes weren't that bad and they still put it in a baggie and it was like it didn't have to be all sealed and everything, they just stapled it and gave it to you. Yeah, it was just back back when we were he's so detailed.

Shane Ivan Nash: 50:29

Listen, I've been in the cannabis industry a long time too. I just don't talk about it too much, okay? No, I'm not always my legal.

Leon Mostovoy: 50:35

In fact, I still am paying back corporate taxes for most days. Anyways, yes, I am very legal, I'm a Virgo, I'm very by the books, yes, so anyways, we start this company. We love Virgos and it's a whole idea for our community at all. Then COVID hits and all and I'm expanding with my delivery services separate. This is just my passion project, right, and so things are going along. And then I decided like, okay, we could expand and you could be a partner on my delivery service. I already have a partner on paper. Like I said, we are as core of LLCL that bullshit, yeah.

Shane Ivan Nash: 51:20

Transman in business.

Leon Mostovoy: 51:20

look at that Right right right, you gotta do it right. Do it right, Otherwise you're gonna be getting so much help.

Shane Ivan Nash: 51:25

Listen, I'm just impressed that like again we never thought Transman would be here. I even have a podcast, like we have like equipment, it's like what we have privileged. So sorry, I just I get excited when you tell me it's really important.

Leon Mostovoy: 51:36

Yeah, anyways, he does not. My partner and I've been with my delivery partner does not think it's a good idea, so I oh, really, you're part of it and think it was a good idea to To include him and expand with him. Ooh, let me see. So anyways, I decided to. Anyways, and what this person of which we speak of?

Blossom C Brown : 52:00

Allegedly, allegedly.

Leon Mostovoy: 52:03

Of who shall not be named, not Voldemort, yeah, so who shall not be named? So what happened was oh my God, you are not being good. Maybe we didn't realize that it's really hard, like my business was open 80 hours a week. Yeah, it's retail 11 hours a day.

Shane Ivan Nash: 52:24

No, you go hard.

Leon Mostovoy: 52:25

It's a lot of fucking work. He's a hustle like he.

Shane Ivan Nash: 52:28

I mean, this is for real, this is taxes.

Leon Mostovoy: 52:31

This is reporting to the state of California monthly. Yeah, this is vendor purchasing five to $10,000 a week. This is a business business. This is on the phone with all of the seniors who are like what Now I don't know how to use a website. Do you want me to name off all 200, like different types of weeds we have? Yes, wait, maybe you know. It's just a lot of work. Yeah, this individual that we're speaking of didn't have the popularity and stuff, and that's how we sort of always had. It was that I was the guy behind the scene. I am, I'm the Virgo, I'm the business guy. There's the face of Got it Right.

Blossom C Brown : 53:10

Yeah, business-wise it makes sense. It made sense, so what?

Leon Mostovoy: 53:12

happened, though, was it was crashing and burning. It was not his money, it was all my money, wow, okay.

Leon Mostovoy: 53:22

And so wait, you paid me for that DJ gig, then that was out of both of our money. I mean, when I expanded, I expanded and put another $50,000 to expand the company. Wow, which was all my money? Wow, you didn't have money. Wow, daddy put in some money, his daddy put in some money. Wow, my daddy stopped speaking to me 15 years before he died. Yeah, so I'm like you know you don't get it, bro. Like this is me, this is little Channy guy working my ass off.

Shane Ivan Nash: 53:53

Coming from the mud like a Lily bag.

Leon Mostovoy: 53:54

Yeah, I don't my parents just own me.

Shane Ivan Nash: 53:57

My parents stopped speaking. Same I can't be signed to Holly's due, so we I listen, I Come on now. My parents left me nothing. All of my everything came from these fingers and somehow I got it. I don't know how Everything I had building the business.

Leon Mostovoy: 54:08

Every guy done plenty. I had.

Shane Ivan Nash: 54:09

That's why I respect you so much.

Leon Mostovoy: 54:11

I get myself no handouts, no rich girlfriends, no rich daddies, nope, nothing, none of that shit.

Shane Ivan Nash: 54:19

That's why I wanted you on the show.

Leon Mostovoy: 54:20

I got upset that they weren't taking equal responsibility. In fact, no responsibility. Damn Shocking.

Blossom C Brown : 54:29

Where's the thing? Oh, I was looking for the other one. Dun dun dun.

Shane Ivan Nash: 54:37

We're still learning the buttons, y'all Don't judge us. Where is it? Which one is it? We always do it in every episode Life's not fair, didn't, you? Just put your weight on it. That's not fair. We're still learning the buttons. What is? This Is this one?

Blossom C Brown : 54:52

No, there's oh wait, there you go done, done.

Shane Ivan Nash: 54:54

So it's the middle one. We gotta remember that it's the middle one. We're learning.

Blossom C Brown : 54:58

Y'all. It's the middle one, it's the middle button, it's a learn together. It's the one. Take, show y'all, it's only yeah.

Shane Ivan Nash: 55:03

It's all a process. That's why it's called Transpare as a Podcast, because we do not do editing at all.

Leon Mostovoy: 55:08

This is live, all about the journey, not getting there Exactly, we might never get there. The journey.

Shane Ivan Nash: 55:15

Sorry, I play with the buttons. Tell us how the story ends. Where did we go from there?

Leon Mostovoy: 55:19

Yes, we had a big falling out over that and partied ways and I did not realize that, even if you and again, virgo, virgo, everything by the books I set up bank accounts, more LLCs. I didn't realize, since I'm the signer on everything because an LLC and the reason why you do that is you're not liable and it does not come back on me personally. However, I am the signer on everything. Again, I am the business person behind this scene. This is the face.

Leon Mostovoy: 55:55

You're the CEO. I still owe. Some of the credit cards are gone. After this time I had to pay everything back.

Shane Ivan Nash: 56:04

So make sure to purchase all your cannabis from this Transmass.

Blossom C Brown : 56:07

Media Business Owner, so we can get that yeah yes.

Shane Ivan Nash: 56:10

Just send him Venmo money. We'll find the link somewhere.

Leon Mostovoy: 56:12

We'll send it off Endeavor, yes, so I just sort of walked off and left me with all the debt, and so we don't talk.

Blossom C Brown : 56:21

We're okay, we're doing everybody, that's okay. Where can we support you?

Leon Mostovoy: 56:26

Yes, Okay, I have oh here Best Buds Delivery.

Shane Ivan Nash: 56:33

Yes, yes, best Buds Delivery. Yes, can you actually spell it for us like the dot com, exactly so we can get it.

Leon Mostovoy: 56:39

Okay.

Shane Ivan Nash: 56:39

Is it?

Leon Mostovoy: 56:40

BES, yeah, so it's BEST. And then Buds, b-u-d-z Buds, and but the well, you can order right off the menu and everything, and if you're sending your name and stuff, I'll even send you a cute little Mention, the podcast as well. Yeah, the podcast and then I'll put a little code on it and that's B-B Deliverynet. Okay, it can't have Best Buds, which it was, because Buds apparently the CDC, they and the powers that be that do like they won't let you have it.

Leon Mostovoy: 57:21

Spectrum, really, yeah, they think that it's a cannabis company and so they won't let me advertise. Wow, so I have to do all this. Yeah, wrap around this, it's not.

Shane Ivan Nash: 57:33

Look at that, there we go, we got it. We got it on screen for you right there. So that's all of your stuff, yeah.

Leon Mostovoy: 57:39

Look at all that stuff.

Shane Ivan Nash: 57:40

Yeah.

Leon Mostovoy: 57:41

That's just my special.

Shane Ivan Nash: 57:42

Yeah.

Blossom C Brown : 57:42

Oh, look at ooh yeah, say we need to rack up on there.

Shane Ivan Nash: 57:46

Listen, I invited the plug. Now the community is aware of the plug. The plug has some good stuff. Here's the menu. So we're going to get Sativa. I'm going to need an eighth of the blueberry and also the the kush there that looks really good, and I need two vape pens and then blossom. You needed edibles, correct? Yes, yeah, so we're going to need that whole menu and also, folks, go ahead and actually head over to that website.

Shane Ivan Nash: 58:09

Take a look at all of his work, because, again, something that I want to support, because I have this alleged attention and platform, I want folks to actually see and become the plug for community. And you're actually buying from a trans masculine individual, like what? And it's legal, it's through a business license, it's everything. I know, a licensed trans Right. Like what? The like it's crazy. Because, again, like no, it's difficult.

Shane Ivan Nash: 58:34

I'm in this weird elder millennial situation where, like, I have this weird bridge of my upbringing as a trans man where I can really relate heavily to how you were kind of navigating the world, because when I grew up, it was still very much exactly what you said, like it's like there wasn't even really the discussion of non-binary. There wasn't a discussion of anything. It was just like, if you're going to transition, you go hardcore man, and that's all you, that's your only opportunity. And then you do it lone wolf style because there's no resources for it, and you just figure it out, and then maybe you live to 35, 40 if you're lucky. And the thing that I love about your story, first of all, is that you are an icon, that you're here, that you're past the age of 40. And that inspires me. It inspires Only a one year pass Listen, listen, I know, I know, I know. But at the same time, like looking at everything, oh, ah, not the producer jumping in, I know right.

Leon Mostovoy: 59:30

We've been waiting. I feel like it's so hard to be convincing.

Shane Ivan Nash: 59:34

I just I really appreciate, like, what you've done for community and I really want folks to know more about you and look you up and find out more about you and just you know it's unfortunate Sometimes those business deals didn't fall out the way that they maybe were planned to. But what I do remember is when I would see you in community, the times that I saw you personally coming in and working with me and other community members and really trying to bring this like bridge that you were trying to cross, and I really hope that this episode also brings some more visibility to your business so that we can get you some of that debt taken care of.

Leon Mostovoy: 1:00:10

And I was saying this, and wait and put up my website leonmastavoynet.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:00:16

Yes, and we'll get that up for you so that you can there you go, so you can find my artwork there.

Leon Mostovoy: 1:00:22

I have a new show coming up.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:00:23

And it's sexy stuff too. I mean it's really good, it's high quality, it's it's.

Leon Mostovoy: 1:00:30

Yeah, there's active.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:00:31

There's trans men out there. Y'all Like you, just got to actually dig deep and we're going to continue to bring more and more and more trans men here and other activists and other community leaders and influencers.

Blossom C Brown : 1:00:42

Yeah.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:00:42

More tea and drama and blossom. I feel like you have one more question for Leon before we go to.

Blossom C Brown : 1:00:46

No, it's just more of a comment. Because, you know the person that we were talking about or whatever. I've had such a very vile experience with him. But meeting you, sitting here with you, and just seeing how pure your heart is and your spirit is I just you are such a fresh air, fresh air, yeah.

Blossom C Brown : 1:01:05

Support you love you and you know this is what liberation looks like being able to sit here and have this conversation and, although I am not a trans masculine person, thank you so much for having me here to learn and listen and just grow. And this is the type of environment I want every trans woman, non-binary person, trans man, everybody in our trans community to see Us sitting here, listening to each other, learning from each other and there's no overstepping or anything like that, because we need that unity now more than ever. But I just want to say that that's fantastic.

Leon Mostovoy: 1:01:42

And just one last thing, then, is that I want to say that it is so special because, again, with the separation, it seems like then to separate and trans men and trans women wanting to separate. I'm like why.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:01:54

That's why I want to blossom on this show. I want her to have these conversations.

Leon Mostovoy: 1:01:57

It's so important to have a trans woman support trans men? It's not.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:02:00

It doesn't happen very often and it's rare and that's why I really appreciate you, blossom, I know.

Leon Mostovoy: 1:02:06

We are not. We are not loved by you, ladies. I don't know why.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:02:09

Yeah, no, but honestly, blossom is setting the example and I think I've actually seen kind of a shift in community and I just thank you because I have seen, you know, even influencers and stuff actually start to talk about trans men more and you're part of the conversation. That has actually changed that. So again, in a weird sense, as we talked in that Sabelle episode, that like it's weird to say, as a black woman, you have privilege in that space, because in most spaces you don't. But I just thank you for sharing your voice and also supporting us trans guys, cause you know we want to do some cool stuff in the world too and I love seeing you know older trans men. That was one thing that I interviewed Ezra. He's like you don't see older trans men and I really wanted to bring you on here again just so folks know that you exist. You've done the work and you have a great just personality and I just I appreciate how you represent and you show up as a trans man, especially as a white trans man. So thank you.

Leon Mostovoy: 1:03:00

Yeah, I appreciate it. I really appreciate the opportunity. Thank you both so much. I think this is awesome, love the work you're doing. Keep it up, keep going. Yes.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:03:11

All right, right, and that's going to wrap it up for us folks. I just want to say thank you so much for watching today. I hope you learned a bunch. Please look up Leon. Please get some cannabis from this man so we can get all that debt taken care of for you. And if you're looking for any links or anything that'll be down, make sure to hit that subscribe button Blossom, because we want to get that thousand subscribers. We are almost at that mark. And another thing I really want to shout out to our producer, solomon, at the podcast palace here. Excuse me, I said podcast palace, not the podcast palace. He's been a great support for us here.

Blossom C Brown : 1:03:44

It's podcast place, it's podcast place.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:03:46

See, and I got it wrong. I got it wrong. Listen, I didn't even get my name right. Okay, solomon, so we're still learning.

Blossom C Brown : 1:03:53

Take show, really a one take show.

Leon Mostovoy: 1:03:54

Yeah, you did it yourself at the wrong day, exactly.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:03:57

I did, I did, but I am Shane Ivan Nash Blossom.

Blossom C Brown : 1:04:01

C.

Shane Ivan Nash: 1:04:02

Brown, and this was the transparency podcast. Stay tuned for more.

Blossom C Brown : 1:04:06

We tonight's about, oh I need to go to this.