Could we have resisted the chains of slavery with today's fiery spirit?
Our guest, Sabel Samone-loreca joins with Shane Ivan Nash and Blossom C. Brown to peel back the layers of America's complex relationship with race, equity, and the power of the vote, challenging you to reconsider the narratives we've been told.
This latest clip episode ponders the questions and more, as we unpack the enduring battles against oppression that ripple through history into the present.
With the Capitol riots as our backdrop, we dissect the alarming role of a former president and the glaring disparities in societal reactions to protest movements across racial lines.
We don't shy away from the tough discussions, including the stark reality of voter suppression within the Black community and the paradox of gun control legislation influenced by racial biases.
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Speaker 1:
We might be able to fight through some stuff. As you know, the young people today don't give a damn. They'll fight first.
Speaker 2:
I can't see young people today, during slavery.
Speaker 1:
It's just ain't gonna work. A lot of us have been dead.
Speaker 2:
Um, all that, we would have thought back, we would have not made it. You want me to do what Child?
Speaker 3:
We own it. We own it.
Speaker 1:
So I'm just saying, you know, when you look at it from those perspectives, it's like wow, what did you? How does this happen? You know me as a black person. I'm like you know, especially after 9-11. Yeah, how does this happen in America, after we've had such a major attack on America that we have a president sanctioned, something to happen like this. Now people want to say what they want to say, but I'm going to say it like this After looking at every news station and having that blasted all over America for the last week or two weeks that it was all over TV about what he was, what was going on and how we were as a country, we're going to handle that. I'm like you want to say he didn't incite that to some point and then he went back to his office and set in his office while it happened. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2:
He even turned on Pence. You know that right. They were chanting to get him and they just let it.
Speaker 1:
But I mean that's I mean in so many ways now here we go again. I'm going to say this like this you know, but my black folks, we had to fight the right to vote and in this country alone there are still more blacks that don't vote because they feel like their voices won't be heard. But if you don't vote, how do you get your voice to be heard? You know, my mom always say if you're not going to do the work, then shut out.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, and not even just that. Sabelle, they're trying to find ways and find loopholes to stop black people from voting.
Speaker 1:
Yeah with voter laws and I Voter laws and everything, and I get that, but we don't vote as it is. So I mean, it's one of those things where you know people have died in the black community and they're fighting for us to vote, but yet you still won't vote. I wouldn't care what you, then you vote for the lesser evil. You know, if I had to choose between Trump and Biden, then I guess Biden might get it. I mean, today we have a few more options than just the two sometimes, and we can do that in different ways, allegedly. But what?
Speaker 1:
we have the Green Party, independent party, and if you can get those in you can probably get through.
Speaker 2:
But again you could probably get through Still a two party system, you know? I mean, there's a huge establishment, everything's around money.
Speaker 1:
So you can buy just about whatever you want. And that's, I figure, to some level, that's what Trump did. He bought the White House, yeah, you know. And allegedly, allegedly.
Speaker 2:
Make sure to say allegedly.
Speaker 3:
No, they left me the comments section yeah.
Speaker 1:
I just yeah, we're gonna leave that alone. Cause.
Speaker 2:
No, I mean, here's the thing. Look at what happened with the Black Panther Party. Like gun laws in California right now. The only reason why we have such strict gun laws is because the Black Panther Party went and marched upon those steps and then all of a sudden it was like whoa, wait a second. Now all of California can't have guns because of that one action. Yet with what happened with January 6th, you've got people that look at those folks and like they were patriots, they were saving the country, they were this Okay, it's a matter of perspective at that point.
Speaker 1:
But then you look at states like Florida and Texas where you can go purchase a gun and go into grocery store with that bitch put to your head.
Speaker 2:
On your head With like a pink little clip to put it on.
Speaker 1:
Okay, the Sanchez ain't playing easy.
Speaker 3:
Child. They have, like those big artillery guns, machine guns or whatnot, and, trust me, I've seen on social media it being landed in the wrong hands. You know what I mean, especially low budget people, so you know it's.
Speaker 2:
He's talking about a certain podcast. I am not.
Speaker 3:
Low budget. I don't discuss low budget podcasts, I'm a budget, yeah.
Speaker 1:
I mean. But when you look at it from all angles, it's like one of those things how do you talk about crime and gun laws and stuff like that when we're you know you want to put? You talk about young people and guns and all these school shootings we've had, but we're not tightening up our gun laws enough. You have state-stated made it possible for you to just walk in a store and pick it up Same day. No, no, nothing, it's just a lot, you know. I mean yeah.
Speaker 2:
It can be challenging A lot of challenging it can be challenging and there's a lot of nuance to it all because, at the same time, our country was founded on the rights of having access to guns. It's how we were able to stand up to the other country. It's this whole, you know history of nuance.
Speaker 1:
But I'm going to say this you know, if I go to England you can't get a gun, but most part you can't have a gun.
Speaker 2:
Because they learn their lesson.
Speaker 1:
Just like what.
Speaker 2:
Australia banned it.
Speaker 1:
I listen to a lot of these other countries that protect their communities and take care of their communities. And then you take that and you open the book and you flip it over and you say, okay, america, what? Yeah, because now in America everybody want a gun, and that's the other part of it. You know, that's. I'm having another, a whole, nother thing to go across. You know, I just saw this thing where this lady said go back to your country, and she was Irish and I was like, hmm, you didn't come, your family didn't travel for Ireland to get here.
Speaker 2:
Since you're Irish.
Speaker 1:
You know you weren't born. You know if this is America and you're Irish, then you come from, your origins is from Ireland, you know. So how do you tell somebody to go back to their country? Can you go back to Ireland and do they want you back? You know so. You know, when I see a lot of that go on, it's just like really confusing and hurtful and stuff like that. And I said that in a sense of I hope people get enough of that to a point where it stops, because you know we're constantly talking about this is America, land of the free and the brave? And I got the right to say what the hell I want. Then stop telling people to go somewhere else, because you constantly inviting them over here.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, that's beautiful and you know, we're the only country that focuses on race. I'm sitting up here and I'm listening. You know, some of the critiques that we always get, as black trans people specifically is why you're always talking about race is because race is reality. Number one is also the fact that just because a black person is talking about race, that doesn't mean they're a victim. I think that people who have a victim mindset that way that are trying to project onto other people can have several seats. Because it's important that we do talk about race. It's important that we create these spaces to figure out how can we build a coalition together? How can I protect you? How can I protect you? How can y'all protect me? I think that's what we're trying to build, I mean.
Speaker 1:
I don't, you know, I know this whole community got issues and stuff, got stuff going on.
Speaker 2:
Communities got issues. I've never heard of that before. And you people have got issues, stuff in this community. The T it's hot. I've never heard of this, but I think I need to be said.
Speaker 1:
I don't ever see myself as a victim. I see myself as a survivor and an overachiever.
Speaker 2:
I see myself as a bad bitch.
Speaker 1:
And that poor.
Speaker 1:
You know what I do, what I want, when I want, how I want, but first you know but if you want to book her, you know, when Blossom talks about race, it's one of those things where, just because I bring up race, I don't bring up race in the sense of discriminatory or anything else.
Speaker 1:
You know, if I talk about race because it's been so hard, whether I'm being a black woman, a black man, a black trans woman, whatever it may be, being a black person in America is dealing with racism. Yeah, on mentee levels, whether you want to talk about it or not. You know at least one of the things I talk about a lot to my friends when we bring up races, at least in the south, they'll say it to your face. Yes, when you come to the west or to more some of these other states, yeah, they talk about it behind your back. Be brave enough to talk about me to my face. Don't be brave enough to talk about me behind my back, because when you talk about me behind my back, that's all you doing is talking to my back.
Speaker 3:
I want to affirm that because you are so right. I'm somebody from Mississippi and I'm used to racist white people, but coming out here and dealing with anti-blackness from other people of color Was a shock to me. I was genuinely shocked at how being in proximity to white supremacy Really does play out here, especially in our community, our trans community. Yeah, and we have to be bold to talk about it. And I know you've been in this community for a long time and you've seen so much. I'm gonna tell you, girl.
Speaker 2:
We want to go back a little bit, you know.
Speaker 1:
I mean today you have a lot of organizations talking about black and brown and how we're this and how we're that. Yeah, but I want you to know, you know it wasn't that long ago when the Asian community didn't like the black girls in a Latino community didn't like the black girls and we were all separated, even when it came down to our clubs, where we go and what we did. You know a lot of that was separation. You know I came out during time period where Going like again going to us Hollywood when I first moved here in 93, that was very much known as white Boys Town, and to have been a black person or a black gay person in LA in Boys Town during that time period you were considered discriminated against because unless you was sucking dick or sucking some white boys dick or lens, so white boys Like yo dick and you were black, then you weren't considered part of that community. That's why you don't see the children from Inglewood, compton and Long Beach come to us Hollywood that often still to this day, I mean there.
Speaker 1:
So that's why you know in so many ways and most people won't say it is. That's why the catch was invented. You know the catch gave black folks a club to go to and it was not that many clubs that are around where black, lgbtq folks can hang out at, because when you look at what's in Hollywood and around the police and around the but stores and the management and the corporate see of that, it's not made for black folks.
