Diddy's Scandal, Minority Conservatives, and Child Actor Plight

Could the glitz and glamour of celebrity parties conceal a much darker truth? 

As Shane Ivan Nash and Blossom C. Brown peel back the layers of a high-profile entertainment scandal, we confront the stark realities behind Diddy's legal battles and the disturbing accusations surrounding his infamous gatherings. 

Today's raw discourse reveals how the once unassailable façade of celebrity culture is crumbling, with Homeland Security stepping into the fray, signaling a seismic shift in the public's perception. 

We weigh in with unfiltered candor alongside insights from industry insiders, including Stevie J's staunch defense of Diddy, in a segment that will leave you questioning everything you thought you knew about the stars we thought we knew.

In a poignant shift, we turn the spotlight onto the vulnerable world of child stars, through the lens of the "Quiet on the Set" documentary. 

 Join us as we honor the courage of those who've dared to speak out and advocate for a future where such stories of exploitation become relics of the past.

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

It's really interesting seeing how all this stuff play out, honey, because the internet has been swarming left and right, left and right and you know I've been in the comment section commenting, commenting commenting what's going on with Diddy.

Speaker 2: 0:10

I mean, it's one thing if one person says something about you and we always want to believe victims but if you've got a reputation the way that Diddy has had a reputation of like Diddy parties and they're always saying like oh, always saying like oh, you don't know what goes on there, and there's always this like mystique where it kind of sounded like ooh, it's cool, but to find out it's been abused the whole time. Yeah, that's scary. Those videos. Did you see that old video of like Diddy that was like Bieber's?

Speaker 1: 0:34

what, 14 years old had his hand over. I think I saw that.

Speaker 2: 0:36

You're coming to Puffy Flavor Camp for 48 hours and they was like, oh my God, Justin Bieber's so lucky and how. We were always looking at these kids that were in these spaces and we were like, oh my God, I would love to do that. But now I'm like, oh, thank God, I was never in that space.

Speaker 1: 0:58

This is the Transparency Podcast Show. Welcome to the Transparency Podcast Show. Welcome to the Transparency Podcast Show. It's your girl, blossom C Brown, and I'm here with my lovely, lovely co-host here. They call him Shane Ivan Nash. What's going on, shane? Hey, how you doing Good. As you can see, we switched it up a little bit and we don't have any guests, shane. Oh no, what should we do? I have an idea what we're going to make this a hot topic day. What you think about that? I think I got a teacup ready for the hot topic.

Speaker 2: 1:33

Ooh, what are we getting into?

Speaker 1: 1:38

Child. Listen y'all. It is a lot going on. It's no tea, no shade, and we're going to just jump right on into it, honey, because it is a lot Diddy.

Speaker 2: 1:49

Diddy, did he do it? Did he don't? Didn't he do it, diddy?

Speaker 1: 1:56

is a mess honey. Now as y'all may have heard, recently, diddy had his houses raided in Miami as well as in Los Angeles. Yep, apparently he's under investigation for sex.

Speaker 2: 2:07

He's under investigation for sex trafficking, sex trafficking, and I think there's a possible drug connection too, because of everything with the plane and all of that and him not being on the thing. But go on, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:17

And you know it's really interesting seeing how all this stuff play out, honey, because the internet has been swarming left and right, left and right, and you know I've been in the comment section, commenting. Commenting, commenting I mean in my personal opinion, I think when Cassie's lawsuit came out, I feel like it kind of tipped off the feds a little bit, especially because she talked about sex trafficking in her lawsuit. And so what are your thoughts about this honey?

Speaker 2: 2:46

Because this is a myth. Well, I mean just the Cassie story alone, right? So allegedly in the lawsuit, she was blindfolded in a hotel room repeatedly, sa'd didn't know where she was. At times she was also drugged in that process. Now again, this is all allegedly in the lawsuit. Yeah, now again, this is all allegedly in the lawsuit. But according to multiple lawsuits it seems it's come out by now. Another gentleman what is the gentleman's name that just got the new one? Oh, my God, rod, something, yes, rod, rod, rod. So that gentleman right now, with everything that he's presenting in his lawsuit on top of with Cassie's lawsuit, it looks like it actually created Homeland Investigation. Now, listen, listen. It's one thing. If the local cops are coming for you, it's another thing. If the state cops are coming for you, it's a whole nother thing. If the FBI is coming for you, it's a different level. When the CIA is coming for you, homeland Security is all of that in one. You know, let me not, me, not smack the mic.

Speaker 2: 3:44

Let me not smack the mic. That's how serious it is, but it's literally all of these folks working in tandem together. That's what Homeland because 9-11, that's actually where it kind of was created and for you to get on their radar because what it looks like is international crimes, allegedly that's going on where. I mean, why was his jet going to another country and he wasn't even on it when he was on the manifest to say that he was on it? And then his drug mule you heard about that, right. The white boy yeah, he got caught with a few different things at the Miami airport. So what do you think about that?

Speaker 1: 4:19

Yeah, I'm not shocked. I'm not shocked. I think Diddy and his whole entourage think they can escape accountability. Listen, you can run, but you can only hide for so long. I'm sorry, and you know, child, stevie j, 50 cent. Everybody got something to say, especially stevie j, 50 cent. I'm like stevie j, let's talk about stevie j. Um, what did wendy? Did Wendy Williams call him Rat face. Wait a minute, where's the button Rat face? Yeah, let me tell you something.

Speaker 1: 4:52

Stevie J, yep, stevie J was pretty much defending Diddy and I'm just kind of like, you know, you got your own problems. Aren't you still divorcing Faith Evans? Damn, like you know what I mean. Like you got your own problems. Aren't you still divorcing Faith Evans? Damn, you know what I mean. You got your own problems. And the thing is, you're defending someone who you say is your friend, but he's also an abuser. And I don't understand a lot of black folk that have been, especially in these comment sections, defending Diddy. Y'all are saying oh, y'all are ready for this black man to be going, y'all ready for this black man to be taken down, y'all wishing this man harm and all the things or whatever like that. No, people are wishing accountability, yeah, and not just him taking accountability, but consequences for his actions. You know what I mean. He tortured Cassie for a decade.

Speaker 2: 5:46

And others allegedly too. You know, we don't know to the extent. I mean, there's a lot of rumors and conspiracy out, but what was it? Diddy's old security guard is now alleging that there was cameras in every single room.

Speaker 1: 5:59

Yeah, politicians.

Speaker 2: 6:00

Small mini cameras, athletes, everybody in any. I mean Madagascar, the cartoon movie with kids, and like little cartoons they reference a Diddy party in the movie itself.

Speaker 2: 6:12

That's how much that Diddy has a reputation for parties and how many people have been connected to Diddy.

Speaker 2: 6:17

If you look back at especially some of the early 2000s stuff where you see, like Ashton Kutcher and all those white parties and everything that's going on especially looking back at it in hindsight, I'm like what was really going on in those situations? Because from the you know alleged conspiracy theories and we want to make sure that they're in the alleged they haven't quite been proven yet, but these folks would come into these parties, especially you know straight black male artists that are coming up, that are wanting to make a connection, especially with the producers and everybody in hollywood, and they would end up getting drugged at these parties, essayed or doing something that wouldn't be out of character for them and especially because the black community does not deal with homophobia very well. So pbd was able to navigate that and and we even create this like untouchable status because the community is afraid to also address some of that sometimes and I think that because he had that opening he was able to really harm so many people and get so I mean, he's a billionaire.

Speaker 2: 7:20

You have to realize how many people he's exploited to become a billionaire.

Speaker 1: 7:23

And I'm also remembering I don't know if this was the same person that you were talking about, that filed the lawsuit or whatnot, but he was saying something about. He was shown a video of Stevie J having sex with a white man showing that this happens all the time in the industry, or whatnot Because I think he was being sexually harassed or something Groomed. Or sexually groomed by Diddy and I was Rodney Jones. Is that his name?

Speaker 2: 7:47

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 7:47

Rodney Jones, a former producer and videographer, obviously filed a lawsuit or whatnot and also talked about these things and was really crazy. And then I also hear that Young Miami was also in it as well too that she was accused of as being a sex worker. A sex worker and also—.

Speaker 2: 8:06

Which we support that. But in this case this is really—like if you look at the tentacles from Diddy, you can trace it back. Now People are starting to look at the Tupac situation, right, yeah, yeah, and they're starting to look a certain way that people were getting erased because they were becoming bigger in community. I mean there's the whole now, the Nipsey Hussle, snoop Dogg things coming out where allegedly there might be connections there. Again, this is all alleged TikTok stuff. The Nipsey Hussle, snoop Dogg things coming out where allegedly there might be connections there. Again, this is all alleged TikTok stuff.

Speaker 2: 8:51

So it could be, you know, someone's idea to create these messages and it's important to really get the information because we want these folks to actually get justice, if and when we can support them. Because what's going on with Diddy? I mean, it's one thing if one person says something about you and we always want to believe victims but if you've got a reputation the way that Diddy has had a reputation of like Diddy parties and they're always saying like, oh, you don't know what goes on there, and there's always this like mystique where it kind of sounded like, ooh, it's cool, but to find out it's been abuse the whole time, yeah, that's scary, it's scary.

Speaker 1: 9:20

And then you know 50 Cent weighing in too. Oh my gosh, because apparently 50 Cent's baby mama was named in the lawsuit yeah, as a sex worker as well, and he's suing for full custody of their children. And apparently she went on Instagram, like last week or whatever, and accused him of trigger, warning, rape, an essay and all the things or whatever. Now, to make this very clear just because you are named in a lawsuit does not mean that you're guilty of anything and I think a lot of people don't understand the legal system in that way but it does not mean that you're guilty. But 56, curtis Williams is hoping to accuse his ex, whatever baby mama, whatever she is to him, of being like a sex worker to Diddy. And you know, when I think about this whole situation with Diddy, I think about the whole thing with R Kelly as well too, and how these things have been happening pretty much in front of our eyes and we really did not know about it.

Speaker 2: 10:23

Think about how young we were when we were listening to some of the music we were listening to too.

Speaker 1: 10:26

Yeah, like I was talking with my wife about it.

Speaker 2: 10:29

I was like we were one of the most over-sexualized generation with the things that were going on, especially at a young age, we were exposed to a lot of stuff.

Speaker 1: 10:40

We're the Pluto and Scorpio generation because you know your girl's an astrologer.

Speaker 2: 10:47

Yes, we're the Pluto and Scorpio generation, because you know your girl's an astrologer.

Speaker 1: 10:49

Yes, and we always want to practice astrology we have learned. And Pluto, scorpio rules sex and Pluto naturally rules Scorpio, and so millennials are the Pluto and Scorpio generation. So we have definitely been exposed to a lot of sexual. How do you pronounce that word? Induos or whatever.

Speaker 2: 11:06

Induos. Yeah, thank you. I can't even pronounce it, right? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 11:09

But we've really been exposed to that. That was just our upbringing or whatnot, and so you know, I think in my view we can be kind of a sexualized, we could be a very sexual, traumatized society and group of like generation or whatnot. So I don't know, but it's, it's just holding with diddy. I don't think it's over by a long shot. I think more people are going to come out because he settled that lawsuit with cassie so quick. Yeah, it's not even funny. Um, when cat williams said it was up for all of them did, diddy included. He was not playing.

Speaker 2: 11:44

It's like every month, cat Williams just gets reaffirmed with something else happening. Yep, like something else, something else, something else, something else. Yeah, so I mean looking at again this whole Diddy situation, I go and how did so many people get involved in the situation to support Diddy too, because it's not just Diddy Like we have to be real of the enablers and the folks that were looking at some money, because allegedly again, this is allegedly was it Universal Music Group or something along those lines now is being included in the lawsuit. I mean, yeah.

Speaker 2: 12:23

Justin Bieber is now being involved in the lawsuit. I mean, yeah, Justin Bieber's now being involved in the lawsuit. Oh, I can see that, Because if you look at those old video, did you see that old video of like Diddy? That was like Bieber's.

Speaker 1: 12:31

What 14 years old had his hand over. I think I saw that.

Speaker 2: 12:34

Yeah, he's like you're coming to Puffy Flavor Camp for 48 hours. And they were like, yeah, we can't really talk about what's going on. And I remember seeing that like live as a kid and I was like, oh my God, justin Bieber is so lucky and how we were like always looking at these kids that were in these spaces and we were like, oh my God, I would love to do that. But now I'm like, oh, thank God, I was never in that space. You know, what do you think about? Like all of that? Because again it just seems to be like this iceberg of I don't know like it could be an Epstein situation. Again, it's all alleged, but it's a lot.

Speaker 1: 13:09

I feel like they sign NDAs a lot of them when they put those NDAs in place, like they're just stuck and they're trapped. When it comes to Justin Bieber, though, if you really notice he, like other people, like Amanda Bynes, like their behaviors shift so publicly and you can really tell Justin Bieber was definitely stardom and I think, as time has gone on, he's just kind of doing his own thing and he looks more reserved than anything, and that's kind of shocking because the way he started out was just kind of like with Diddy and all of the things or whatever. But I'm really curious to know if the things that he may have experienced and saw, that has kind of made him shift a little bit in like his music and his tone, especially music and his tone especially, um, you know, I, just I, I can't stop thinking about r kelly when I think about diddy and I think about the people.

Speaker 2: 14:13

That situation, yeah, that was crazy. I mean, the guy what? She was 14 or something and he was old when they got married and it was on, everybody knew and everybody was cool with it and they were making songs like age ain't nothing but a number like what?

Speaker 1: 14:25

married her when she was, I think, 14 years old. Yeah, and this would not shock me with diddy, and so we're gonna be tuning in and and keeping up to date with everything. I think yesterday, um, he posted an easter picture with his daughter, his toddler, on instagram. I didn't see it, but I was reading about it today, so it was a mess. Oh my God.

Speaker 2: 14:46

That's all I got to say, speaking of messes, have you heard what happened to Candace Owens? Ooh, the craziest thing. So, ooh, ooh, ooh, that's a longer one, that's a long button, nope, Okay yeah, I was like no, candace Owens, nope Candace. Owens. Nope, he loves it. Just for anybody out there that says that we should be supporting Candace Owens just because you know a clock strikes twice a day, right, but that doesn't mean that it's accurate, and unfortunately we know that y'all. Yeah, no, actually.

Speaker 2: 16:01

I actually did not know. If a clock is broken at 12 at least twice a day, it's going to be right. Oh, that makes sense. Oh, 12 pm and 12 am. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, because the hands will be stuck there.

Speaker 1: 16:05

So at least I didn't know y'all, that makes sense now like okay, okay, so like forace in her whole situation where she's getting canceled.

Speaker 2: 16:15

This is something that she has, like vehemently talked about for so long about the left, about cancel culture.

Speaker 1: 16:22

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 16:23

And all of those things that are going on Now. Meanwhile, at the same time, she's getting canceled by her side the side that she fought for and canceled by her side the side that she fought for. And something that I heard today I was watching a TikToker actually make a really good review of, like, how their perspective of Candace Owens' situation is. It's like she sat here for years and years and years and years and years and using her identity as a black woman to actually empower racists to say things, and it seems like now that they have become the leopard eating party and they're eating her face. In that sense, like, to an extent, do I feel for Candace? Yes, because I even see how she was exploited. Yes, but she also willingly, as an adult, as intelligence, as she says she is.

Speaker 2: 17:10

How did you let that slide past you? Where now you've got all of these folks that you are representing that don't look like you, that the moment you say something they don't like, you're out the door, you don't have a job. What was all of that for? Because you've caused harm for multiple different communities, especially the trans community. You have come from my community so much in so many different ways and completely have even forgot about trans men especially. You've especially come for black trans women in some reason as some sort of I mean, I don't know necessarily how to navigate Candace Owens, because one drop of me feels bad for her, but for the rest of it it's like you planted these seeds, you sowed them and these are the flowers you got.

Speaker 1: 17:55

Now to a certain degree, you know I disagree with you, I know, I know, and that's why we work.

Speaker 2: 18:00

Yes, yes, yes, no, I want to hear it.

Speaker 1: 18:02

I don't feel sorry for her and I am a Black woman. You know Black conservatives are an oxymoron to me. All these Black conservatives are an oxymoron. You know. That party is going to remind you that you are nothing more than a black person who is deemed inferior to what they are about. I don't care what y'all say. This woman wore a White Lives Matter shirt with Kanye West, thinking that somehow, some way, she was doing something and she's talked down on trans people. She's talked down on so many people. And it's funny because I got attacked on social media recently about Candace. Oh no, I think I commented on the shade room on a neighborhood talk, and black people were attacking me. They were just like oh, you're just mad because she's a free thinker. Well, first of all, we're all free thinkers. Number one you know what I mean. Number two is the fact that this woman is just really vile.

Speaker 1: 19:07

I saw her interview on the Breakfast Club and I will say this though it was a very interesting conversation because they had asked questions yeah, they had asked her questions about her husband or what, not, because you know she has a white husband and she has a mixed baby. But her response was actually interesting. I will say that it was really interesting because, you know, I think she talked about more of IQ versus like race. But the thing is she's spoken so disingenuous about other black people. It's hard, it's hard to even navigate and go with that or whatever like that. And so you know, I saw Ben Shapiro getting on her and all the things or whatever.

Speaker 1: 19:48

And the thing is it's like somebody is going to watch this and say, how could you not have compassion for another black woman? Well, I don't have compassion for black people that cause harm to other black people intentionally, just to appease a base that they know is not going to care for them in the long run. This is why I feel trans conservatives are the same way. It's like. You know these people don't like you. You will demean and devalue your own self to appease these people because somehow, some way, they give y'all the attention, they give y'all the views, they amplify your propaganda and it's pathetic. They made her the prime example of where Black people in the conservative party will always remain.

Speaker 2: 20:39

Well, anyone that's a minority if you really think about it. That is not a cis white, affluent male, yeah, Latinos, Asians, conservatives Exactly. It shows that those roles that you are playing you're being used as a tool, and I think the example of Candace Owens should send a message to all those folks that are in minority communities that are uplifting these harmful rhetorics because the idea that co-opting that somehow is going to bring something over to your community when all reality, at the end of the day, what did Candace Owens get from the community other than cut off as soon as she wasn't saying what they wanted?

Speaker 1: 21:12

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 21:13

I mean that makes her a tool for their oppression. That's what I see in the sense, and another thing is I will agree with you and that's why I don't. Another thing is, like I'm white, yeah, as you always say, clearly, I'm not a trans man, you know. So these conversations as well like, I think, that, for you to actually be able to talk about. Thank you, bitch.

Speaker 1: 21:37

On the white part. On the white part.

Speaker 2: 21:40

On the white part, you navigating these conversations. I think it's very important to especially uplift the black community talking about Candace Owens, Because all day I can say I can see how I can empathize with her and this, that and the other. But that can also be dangerous too, because I don't want to lend any of my credibility or anything to Candace Because again, she's caused a lot of harm and I think that these type of conversations like I told you about that TikToker who's going online and saying that, oh, we should support Candace it's giving grifter.

Speaker 1: 22:12

Yeah, even on behalf of him.

Speaker 2: 22:14

That's a good word as well, like when he did that as a tiktoker and I'm not gonna name him, but I'm sure you can look it up. Uh what? Yeah, you know we love the name on this show. I'll give him a break, because he's already what's the first letter? I believe it's a k.

Speaker 1: 22:32

You know I'm a dick honey. I'm a dig, dig, dig. Until I can't dig no more, I'll let the audience, have some, some homework to, to research on.

Speaker 2: 22:39

and, by the way, make sure to like and subscribe, because, okay, we're gonna say that in the middle of the episode, because make sure to like and subscribe so you all can hear more of this. But again, going back to it, like I don't know, I think the way that he even approached that as this, like because he was he's very liberal leaning you know a lot of his language that he uses on tiktok and for him to go well, candace is on our side, so now we should take her in, but then, like you said, there's no accountability for the years, I'm telling you, maybe even decades, of damage that she has caused and especially empowered cis white men to say very hateful things because they'll go. Well, candace is saying it, so why can't I say it In the same way that Blair does that to that lesbian community?

Speaker 1: 23:29

Oh, but Candace destroyed Blair in that debate. She annihilated Blair White, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2: 23:36

I thought we weren't giving any credit to Candace today. Let's be clear. We're giving one drop of credit Because I saw that episode.

Speaker 1: 23:42

That's the line I saw that episode, that debate with Candace Owens and Blair White, and Candace Owens annihilated Blair White for filth yeah, fulfilled. And I could tell that because I've had personal experience with Blair and how she's lied. I could understand where Candace was coming from. More. That's the only reason why I say what I say. But you know, candace, I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but I think sometimes we give certain people too much benefit of the doubt. But I think sometimes we give certain people too much benefit of the doubt and they run with it, and Candace is one of those people, and so I hope that this is a lesson for her. You know, I hope that she seeks healing. I don't want anything bad to happen to her, but it's kind of like you reap what you sow and you catch her karma eventually, because deep down inside, those people do not care about black women, black women in general, and the oppression of trans black women affects black women.

Speaker 2: 24:46

How many cis women in the last year have been murdered or attacked because they thought they were trans?

Speaker 1: 24:50

Yeah, transphobia affects all women and I've been saying this for quite some time 100%, and the thing is it's like, but Candace weaponizes transphobia to a certain degree and it's just kind of like it makes it hard for people like me to support you when you've caused so much harm. That is irreconcilable, you know what I mean. Like you can't reconcile with that.

Speaker 2: 25:15

Yeah, because some of the things she said straight to the camera, straight to the face. It's like you can't take those words back and if you're not going to take accountability for the impact of those words too and just kind of like move on, that's abuse. Yeah, Like your audience in a sense.

Speaker 1: 25:28

Yeah, she went to a school and I remember this student stood up and asked Candace, you know what are your thoughts on you being here when the trans community is not comfortable? And her response was I'm too pregnant to care. Get a helmet. Life's tough and I was just like. You know, that's such a cop out. Yeah, but black conservatives I don't expect anything more from them. Yeah, I genuinely don't expect anything. Intellectually honest. Yeah, I think that black conservatives don't even have the intellectual capacity to begin with, and that's a lot of y'all that I've debated. Okay, black conservatives.

Speaker 2: 26:09

Well, I feel like they've kind of given up in a sense too, jigar, where they're just kind of going well, white supremacy wins. I'm just going to play the game and do what they want.

Speaker 1: 26:15

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 26:16

That's kind of what it feels like it's giving yes-masa tease, you can say that I'm not saying that.

Speaker 1: 26:20

You said it, it's giving yes-masa these black conservatives every time they bow down. It's giving yes-masa tease and all and all of y'all have fallen in for it. Okay, and I just sit over here with my lone liberal tail self just looking at y'all eating my popcorn and just going mm.

Speaker 2: 26:45

That is being messy. I just it's crazy how many folks, though, this year alone, have been up for something, including our next topic, which is a really heavy topic, and I want to make sure to put a trigger warning, because this does talk about essay, and especially for children. The Quiet on the Set documentary came out and that triggered me, and it triggered me in a way that I wasn't expecting, because of how I grew up as a kid and all that like performance stuff that I was always in and all that. What's your feeling on it? Where do you want to go? Where do you want to start, cause it's a lot?

Speaker 1: 27:22

Yeah, it's a lot. Well, you know, I went over to Shane's house and I watched it. We watched it together, me, him and his beautiful wife Shout out to Discovery Plus for all the being $2.99.

Speaker 2: 27:32

By the way, anybody wants to watch it? Go to Discovery Plus for $2.99 instead of the other ones for $9.99.

Speaker 1: 27:37

We got it for a little cheaper, he knows everything, honey, because your girl over here ain't got cable. I ain't got none of that. So I'm just like let me go over to Shane's house over there. We watched it together. I think it was four hours, and I think they released a fifth episode which we haven't watched yet. Yeah, um, basically, for those of y'all that have not watched, dan schneider was a powerhouse, especially in the 90s when he came to, uh, kids programming.

Speaker 1: 28:03

He created shows like all um, all that um, the amanda show. He's done shows like iCarly Victorious, a lot of Nickelodeon stars, and that documentary talked about accusations of SA racism. A lot of different things that were happening on set. People were being abused, harassed on the set of his shows and, interesting enough, I think the biggest thing that came out of that was Drake Bell. Okay, drake Bell was on the Amanda Show as well as on Drake and Josh. Dan Schneider always does this thing where, when he creates shows, there's always going to be that one or two breakout star and he spins them off into their own shows. Because, you know, miranda Cosgrove was on Drake and Josh and then she got on iCarly Victoria Justice was on Zoey 101, and then she ended up with Victoria. It's like a Marvel universe.

Speaker 2: 29:02

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 29:03

Yeah, it's good strategy, you know what I mean. It's really, really good. But Drake Bell appeared, I think, in episode three or four. One of them appeared, I think in episode three or four, one of them and he talked about being the John Doe that was at the center of a lawsuit, I think back in 2004 or something like that, where he was as a on set and I literally think this was right before he got the show. Drake and Josh I think they had started filming the pilot or something like that and the person was Brian Peck. Um, he is not related to josh peck, who was drake bell's co-star I definitely thought that too.

Speaker 2: 29:38

I was like wait a second, what? Because? Especially josh peck, we don't know who his father is. But go on, no, seriously, you look it up, it says really, yeah, it says he doesn't know who his father is on the amanda show.

Speaker 1: 29:49

he was the pickle guy, yeah, um, and amanda show ran from 1999 to show. He was the pickle guy, yeah, and the Amanda show ran from 1999 to 2002. But he was apparently like the pickle guy or whatever like that.

Speaker 2: 29:58

What in the glory hole is happening? You saw that, not the glory hole honey. No, they literally had. Like he came out with pickles. And what is it, keanu Reeves, I think, was in the bathroom right, was it Keanu Reeves?

Speaker 1: 30:08

Oh, I think it was Ray Romano. I thought oh, right, right, right I think it's Ray Romano.

Speaker 2: 30:12

It was Ray Romano, okay, and he puts a pickle through a hole. Yeah, I'm like. What were we watching as children? No wonder, yeah.

Speaker 1: 30:23

It was horribly insane.

Speaker 2: 30:25

I can't believe that would get approved like today. Producers, yeah, Never.

Speaker 1: 30:30

Never. Yeah, it was crazy, but apparently Drake Bell's girlfriend's mom actually convinced him to go to the police and file everything, and so you know, it was really sad because it really torn a wedge between him and his father, because Brian Peck was responsible for that, and you know, and apparently from what we understand is, every child star had to have their parents on set.

Speaker 2: 31:02

It's a legal thing, and so you know those or a guardian or someone watching. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 31:05

Yeah, and so all of this was going on. Brian Peck invited him to his house he would have parties over his house and apparently Drake Bell fell asleep and woke up to. Brian Peck invited him to his house he would have parties over his house and apparently Drake Bell fell asleep and woke up to Brian Peck having oral sex with him. And I think Drake Bell was around 15, 16. And actually we're the same age. So it's this whole thing going back to what we said earlier millennials being exposed to so much. You know, that tale was just really horrible and you know, thinking about amanda bines right here is is um, we owe amanda bines an apology, in my opinion, because I want her on the podcast.

Speaker 2: 31:45

So much for mental health conversation with her, honestly and and just whatever she wants to talk about and you shout out if anybody knows Amanda, let her know. She always has an invitation here to shoot and talk with us, because what she's been through as a child star and remember how you were saying you can see that moment where Justin Bieber, drake you can actually kind of look at their media as a child growing up through various projects or whatever interviews they're doing you can see that there is a stark difference. When something happened, oh, yeah, a certain year, their look changed, their demeanor changed. Yeah, those are all signs of trauma, abuse. I mean all of the stuff that we've learned when we used to work with clients and stuff it hits all the bars. Yeah, it's. I mean the change of the way they look, the way they present themselves, the way that they're.

Speaker 2: 32:35

I mean Amanda has been so reserved, that poor thing Like it seems like she has kind of a Britney Spears situation, but because she didn't have even the same popularity as Britney, she's not even getting the same support with the conservatorship. Because we're learning about these Coogan accounts where people are not getting money put into it. The parents are taking the money. There's so many different stories Because at one point, from my understanding, Amanda Bynes was actually going to get an emancipation from her parents.

Speaker 1: 33:01

Yeah, right, but I think it was being convinced either by Dan Schneider or somebody.

Speaker 2: 33:06

So, dan, allegedly, I think, was influencing that situation. What I think they said on the episode is that she was running away to his house because she was having an issue with her parents. And then he took advantage of the space and the time. Imagine you're 16 years old. Your parents are taking your money, allegedly and you're trying to get away from that.

Speaker 2: 33:28

You've got your producer. Your producer then creates the safe space for you. You think it's safe and that's when you get abused allegedly Again. She also released a statement that she said she doesn't remember anything that happened. She had a great time, she this, that and the other, and I do want to acknowledge that that that's what her statement is, because she also is not probably comfortable to talk about it or maybe something didn't happen. But from my viewpoint, looking at just the shift in her media, especially like the 2015 era, when she started to have all of those issues and pop up, something clearly happened to her, something harmful happened to her and it's sad.

Speaker 1: 34:08

Allegedly she had a baby at 13. That's alleged.

Speaker 2: 34:11

Yeah, there's that Twitter account that hasn't been verified, but allegedly she would show photos of her driver's license or photos that were nowhere on the internet. That it was like hey, this is me, this is Amanda Bynes. And then she was saying like my producer got me pregnant at 13, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And she's been saying it for years and so has so many. I mean, look at Corey Feldman, you know he's been saying it for a long time, yeah, and nobody believed him.

Speaker 1: 34:40

But what was interesting was the cast of All that. Yeah, we grew up watching All that Like I was such an All that person. I love that they had Katrina Johnson in that documentary, because I used to love Katrina so much and they pretty much phased her out when Amanda Bynes came on season three. But in the video in the documentary they talked about their experiences and I just thought it was like really interesting how some of the cast members are all that, especially the black ones. I don't know, it wasn't Christy Knowings, it was the other black girl that was on there. I think she came in like season six or seven right when all that was shifting. Yeah, because Josh Server was the oldest, the longest running original cast member, and Because Josh Server was the oldest, the longest running original cast member, and I think after season six they moved to a younger crowd or whatnot, because all of us were kind of aging out. But look at all of them. I think that was about season six, that was towards like five or six or whatnot. But the original cast included Angelique Bates, lori Beth, denberg, kenan and Kel, elisa Reyes, katrina Johnson, and I think that's pretty much it. Maybe I can name them cast members honey, okay, shit. But it was really interesting, though, just listening to their experiences.

Speaker 1: 36:05

Like with Dan Schneider, there was a lot of crazy things happening on set. Dan was accused of hollering, yelling on set at some of the cast members. Angelique Bates was not in the documentary but she did talk about recently her experience on all that set. Angelique left after two seasons, I think they fired her, and that's when Amanda Bynes actually came in for season three. But Angelique and I was reading an article. Angelique was talking about a time where she had to do this thing with a co-worker that she was already having problems with, and apparently the co-worker ended up spitting milk in her face and Angelique retaliated by throwing milk back at them, and apparently Dan Schneider yelled at her on set or whatnot, only her, and it was just a whole thing or whatnot, because Angelique was actually the first one to leave all that. She was actually the first original cast member to leave it. So you know, I'm a TV fanatic. I know all of these things. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 37:09

Well, all that to like, let's be real, it was the 90s and it's also a white producer. They very much characterized a lot of the black creators. Yeah, on there, look at what they did to nick cannon.

Speaker 2: 37:20

Uh, there's a scene where it's like people you may know and it's like nick cannon sitting there and it's some of the most like racist shit, like nick cannon steals and nick cannon this and like all this weird shit and nick cannon is like maybe 15, 16, yeah. So you have to. You have to realize this white producer is white, writing this like anti black undertones that are so gentle that, like you have to actually be a part of the group to actually hear the full impact of what he's saying and feel it because, like you said, as I heard on the documentary, like I heard a lot of pain and a lot of black folks. It seemed like they saw and they knew that white privilege was on set and they knew that, you know, amanda and drake were gonna get the privilege and the priority with with uh dan and they would try to make connections.

Speaker 1: 38:09

They didn't feel like they could remember the young man that had the dicks put on him yeah, leon, I was just about to bring up leon and it's so funny because we didn't understand a lot of the hidden things until, like leon, and everybody started talking about it. Apparently it's like he was supposed to be the superhero and on his shoulders they looked like they were testicles and a penis on both sides. And when heed, it was like this snotty goo that landed on Kristi Nowings On her face. On her face and apparently it was like a cum shot joke or whatnot. But us as kids, we didn't understand that. I sure did not, and I was still watching all that during that season. That was like the later seasons, five and six. But what was also so interesting to me was they had two women writers sharing one salary and those women were harassed, they were abused. One of the women, dan Schneider, came in and told one of the women pretend like trigger warning, you're getting sodomized.

Speaker 2: 39:10

Yeah. That was so triggering to me and get in a boardroom for her to read. Whatever I mean that's.

Speaker 1: 39:16

Yeah, the men didn't care, like if they were the two women writers. They had to split a salary. Apparently, one of them went to the Writers Guild of America, as they should, because you shouldn't be splitting a salary like that. Well to be fair.

Speaker 2: 39:30

This is the horrible thing is some spaces in Hollywood that actually is common for a new writer, for two writers to actually split a salary.

Speaker 2: 39:41

But with the way that supremacy and even masculinity comes into the space of just going, okay, well, we'll just hire the two girls and they'll split it, but the rest of the guys we're going to take care of, it's like this good old boys kind of club. So technically it's legal, technically it's regular practice for it to happen, because there's been plenty of writers and I'm sure throughout history there's going to be people that said, hey, I shared a salary with Bob and I was a writer and I did it on this show. But it's that layering of, especially you've got two women, no-transcript, yeah, because again it's that good old boys club, that kind of happens and it's really hard sometimes to call that stuff out because on paper it looks clean, it looks kosher, it looks good, yeah, but the feeling of knowing that the only two women on set are sharing a salary, meanwhile the rest of the men are getting a full salary, that energy alone in the writing room is toxic.

Speaker 1: 40:43

And you remember Penelope Taunt Tate, tate. Apparently, that means something, apparently y'all.

Speaker 2: 40:50

It means the area between your anus and your Penelope, I think, in Latin is penis, and then it was penis taint, it's Penelope taint, that's it taint. And then on top of it they had amandapleasecom. I remember Amandapleasecom.

Speaker 1: 41:09

I didn't realize that.

Speaker 2: 41:12

AmandapPleasecom.

Speaker 1: 41:14

That was a very popular little site though.

Speaker 2: 41:16

Did you hear about? Icarly had two contests and this is again another Dan Scheider show where they sent photos of children's feet. Like you would email a photo of your feet, draw a smiley face on your toe. Where did all those photos go?

Speaker 2: 41:31

Yeah, Again like what is going on? So when dan did that interview, uh, with the former cast member, the one that he just did, that was like the whole oh, you know, everybody was involved. Okay, then let's get everybody at the table that was involved and hold it accountable. That's what I see, like I agree with, why he's trying to sit here and say like, oh well, you know, this guy wrote off on it and this guy wrote off on it and everything's good and I believe him on that.

Speaker 2: 41:56

Name the people so we can hold them accountable too.

Speaker 1: 41:58

I believe the Nickelodeon execs had a lot to do with it. That's the one thing I may believe Dan Schneider on. I truly, truly believe that. But Melissa Joan Hart is so interesting, you know she's conservative and it's so disappointing. Joan Hart is so interesting, you know she's conservative and it's so disappointing. You know Melissa Joan Hart used to be Clarissa from Clarissa Explains it All and Sabrina from Sabrina the Teenage Witch. But she was doing Meghan McCain's podcast and she talked about her experience at Nickelodeon. You know her show ended a year before all that premiered. I think it was from like 91 to 94 or 93, something like that. And you know, originally a lot of the Nickelodeon shows shot in Florida, orlando, before they moved out here to California. And you know she just kind of talked about how she believes the victims and everything. She didn't experience that because it was slightly different. She believes it was different from the Orlando actors versus like the LA Hollywood ones and it was just really interesting listening to her experience because they also the black guy from Just Jordan.

Speaker 2: 43:07

His show was really dope I used to watch it all the time or whatever You're going to say. What he said on Twitter it was really dope, but you know he was just like you know. Nothing happened on his show and back to watch it all the time or whatever I was going to say.

Speaker 1: 43:13

What he said on Twitter it was really dope, but you know he was just like you know, nothing happened on his show. And back to Melissa Jones no, he said he's not getting his ass cheeks clapped for showing something. Oh yeah, that's what he said, like he said some wild shit. I was like we got a button, nat, and I was just like, but you know, the same thing that him and Melissa was saying was not all shows have bad apples on there or whatnot.

Speaker 1: 43:34

But I don't think Dan Schneider produced all those shows either. No, so I don't like he didn't touch Melissa, he didn't touch Clarissa Explains at all and I don't think he was doing just Jordan. You can tell the Dan Schneider universe. They all look alike Like the iCarly and the Victorious. Remember, hey Dude? Remember that Charlie and the Victorious.

Speaker 2: 43:50

Remember hey, dude, remember that. Yeah, I think there was an era for Nickelodeon, when they were first coming up, that they followed the rules a little bit, yeah, and I think what ended up happening? Nickelodeon became a conglomerate because of Dan yeah, because he was the golden boy. So that's when that no accountability came in. Lots of money started, because when Nickelodeon first started, they didn't have the money that they had Nope, I mean when hey Dude was being produced, that was, and that's an original. Yeah, it's an original, but you can look at that.

Speaker 1: 44:19

They definitely saved some money on production costs Because they filmed in a ranch outside of Tucson, Arizona. I was reading about this last night. It's funny that you bring up hey Dude.

Speaker 2: 44:28

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 44:28

Because Clarissa's show, melissa Joan Hart's show, was actually one of the first original shows after hey Dude was canceled. So you know, like you know, your girl loves Lucha Shorts and all the shows back then or whatnot. I think it's called Alex Mack.

Speaker 2: 44:44

I think the show the Secret World of Alex Mack. That's how she melted I love, that was my show.

Speaker 1: 44:49

Larissa Olenek is so wonderful. She's such a great actress. I love that show. That was like a revolutionary first Kim Fields' younger sister was on that show.

Speaker 1: 44:58

Yeah, I loved Alex Mack. I got a book Alex Mack like from the book fair when I was a kid and so you know it's just really shocking. And you know, disney, you know you're next Disney Channel. And you know, disney, you know you're next Disney Channel. Oh my God, I'm waiting on Annalisa Vanderpool and Christy Romano To confirm some of the things that Mr Orlando Brown is saying Ooh.

Speaker 2: 45:25

Orlando Brown is like that man ain't lying.

Speaker 1: 45:28

He has a substance abuse problem, but I don't think he's lying. I don't think he's lying.

Speaker 2: 45:32

I think he also speaks in metaphors because he's afraid to say it fully. You know what I mean. Because there's a lot of power in Hollywood. I mean people can lose their livelihoods.

Speaker 2: 45:41

Yeah, they talked about that too, you can be blacklisted. I mean, that was the whole Brian Peck situation. It was one of the leverages that they used on. Drake was like oh well, you'll never work again. And then you got a kid who is now providing for his entire family. He is the linchpin for making sure everybody eats, and you've got someone essaying him.

Speaker 1: 46:05

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 46:08

You know, like the advantages especially. I mean all the way to Shirley Temple, and this goes back to like what 19, 20, 30, whenever she was popped into Hollywood. Yeah, goes back to like what 19, 20, 30 whenever she was popped into hollywood. Yeah, there's always been this like uncomfortable exploitation, I think, of children because we want to tell the stories and children add movies and stories because if you think of the movie, um, I see dead people, whatever. That little boy that that hit that scene made that movie.

Speaker 2: 46:32

You know, like, when you think of that, but at the same time, like what is the price of these kids lives, like they? It's almost like they gave up their childhood so we had one, but then now, looking back, now that I know they went through it, almost destroys my childhood too. Yeah, like I can't look at any of my favorite shows now that I used to watch. I'm like, okay, let's just move on to something else, because I, even if there isn't trauma on the episode, I almost feel like I can see it, like I can see this something in the episode itself where it just it feels off and and I mean even things like Ren and Stimpy, some of the cartoons oh, that was.

Speaker 1: 47:10

That was too much. That show was one of the only shows rated tv y7.

Speaker 2: 47:13

That show was too much, I mean. But I grew up on ren and simpy too and I grew up in a generation where, like I'm like again that elder millennial where the not maybe not so much for you, but I was very much still kind of like a latchkey kid is what they call where, like you got a key to the house, you go up and your parents are just letting you run feral through the streets kind of Much later. Yeah no.

Speaker 2: 47:33

I mean like streetlights were on, I had to be home, kind of like I grew up a little bit more old school. I think than some millennials did too, because I had older folks, like older parents and older brothers and stuff, so they had that pattern, you know, like with Nickelodeon and the whole thing with slime, yeah. So TikTokers have dug into it or asking questions why is it? Green boogers if you know video production.

Speaker 2: 48:07

I don't know why I said boogers for video production, a green screen, so you've got slime getting on all these children you. You can easily change the color to white.

Speaker 1: 48:29

Oh, my God.

Speaker 2: 48:32

I've done my research because I went through, I did not know that, all the problematic things that are going on, and then the logo's a foot. The logo's a foot for what was it like 10 years? Yeah, a foot as a logo. Yeah, the idea that somehow the folks up at top were not involved. It's like how do we hold those folks accountable? Because, again, they are very powerful.

Speaker 1: 48:57

Yeah, I'm not even about accountability, I'm about consequence. These days, like what's the consequence for all of this and how do we protect child stars? Like a lot of the black people that were on the All that set or whatever, like black moms, black dads were complaining. All of a sudden, kids were fired, especially black moms. I even read with Angelique Bates or whatever her mom was sexually harassed by one of the producers and I was like that's insane, that is freaking insane. And, like you said earlier, because people are afraid of being blackballed, one Number two, these were their first jobs, their first breakout role on television, so you're going to do everything that you can to keep that, including being complicit to the abuse you've been experiencing.

Speaker 1: 49:49

And that's why I felt so sorry for all of these child stars from Nickelodeon, and it makes me wonder about people like Victoria Justice, shia.

Speaker 2: 50:01

LaBeouf.

Speaker 1: 50:02

And Mariah I'm sorry Miranda Cosgrove and Josh Peck, all of these people who I haven't heard too too too much about especially Victoria Justice, but again that Jeanette McCurdy book basically stated oh, jeanette McCurdy, how can you?

Speaker 2: 50:16

forget her. Allegedly those two producers pulled her in and said hey, don't talk about Nickelodeon, we'll give you 300K.

Speaker 2: 50:23

Yeah, Now I don't know if those other folks did that and I don't know if I can even really sit here and say I would judge, because I don't know the life they were living in that moment. To be honest, and if they are the breadwinners for their family, maybe there was a reason they made that decision. Because, again, we don't know what struggles that they were going through, that they had to take that money. Because we have to again be aware of this dynamic, because even what you and I are doing, having this conversation, could possibly blackball us from people in Hollywood, because it's dangerous to even have these kind of conversations. But it's the truth and these conversations are out.

Speaker 1: 50:57

But I think Jeanette McCurdy was so brave because, you know one, her mother was abusing her, yeah, which was really horrible, and I used to see like videos of them together or whatnot. And so you know, to her, the best thing in her life happened when her mom passed away, and that's so unfortunate to hear. But then, on top of that, I commend Jeanette because you know, she stood up to the big people and was like no, I'm not going to take this $300,000. I'm going to share my story. And she came out with a bestselling book about that.

Speaker 1: 51:30

So, you know, it just really makes me wonder about some of these other child Nickelodeon stars. You know Victoria Justice. I bring her up a lot because about three years ago I was in a very depressive state and one of her songs, Treat Myself, really helped save me. It was much more about treating herself much more with kindness. Because, you know, with Victoria Justice, there was this whole thing with her and Ariana Grande. The same with Jeanette McCurdy and Ariana, which was done by the producers. That's the most Machiavellian of it. Ariana, which was done by the producers.

Speaker 2: 52:02

That's done by the most Machiavellian of it all. It's like the strings are being pulled by these girls fighting each other. They don't even know why they're fighting each other. Meanwhile, it's like we don't even know what happened to Ariana Grande.

Speaker 1: 52:13

You saw that potato video yeah, and like her, like with the foot thing to the point where crazy listen.

Speaker 2: 52:18

I know she's a little problematic with her whole relationship situation that she's got going on, but I gave her a drop more of empathy after seeing that potato video because I don't know what that girl has been through in terms of exploitation. She's lost Mac. Miller, she's lost her dad. She's been through a lot.

Speaker 1: 52:33

She was able to make herself a really big career because of it.

Speaker 2: 52:36

I think even what was it? She was at a funeral two, three years ago and she was getting felt up by one of the pastors on stage Like she's been through a lot, yeah. So again, I know problematic with the homewrecker thing Nobody wants to, I know it's a little, but I can almost see how she arrives at those allegedly Alleged homewrecker. Allegedly Allegedly, but I can see how she arrives at those paths because of what she's been through, Because, again, a lot of trauma can make you navigate the world differently.

Speaker 1: 53:04

Yeah, that's true, yeah, listen. Yeah, this was amazing, shane, it was good. Yeah, oh my God, this was a lot to unpack. We still got to watch the fifth episode, so y'all already know what it's giving, and so, honey, it's time to wind down.

Speaker 2: 53:25

Any last thoughts before we take it on out of here. All I can say is, you know, as someone who grew up the way that I did, because I was a performer, you know, kid Like I grew up, you know, fifth grade I was in the Guys and Dolls. I was doing everything and anything. I play multiple instruments. But I was also being kind of groomed by my family to be a performer in this thing, Because I grew up in this like Hollywood Scientology Celebrity Center kind of thing you know, and for me it was.

Speaker 2: 53:53

It's really hard to just see how much kids because I know what it's like to be that little kid and have that dream and I worked my ass off to learn all of these things and I will go 10 times harder, I will stay on the set longer, I will do what it is and that's hard to do that as a child. So like their work ethic is amazing. But then to know that they were exploited in that situation, it's like and I can and I can empathize because I've seen my own self being exploited. I saw I mean even a lot of the other folks around me being exploited that were children, that were like six to 15 years old.

Speaker 1: 54:30

How are you?

Speaker 2: 54:31

experiencing that love. It's just. It's rough to know that this world is the way that it is, but as much as the old garld is crumbling and every day we hear the world is falling apart I have some weird hope, some weird hope that things are crumbling and it feels like it's falling apart because other old guards are losing their power. But I still feel like us, as a millennial generation, are really coming in to grasp and to change things because we're getting into seats of power now.

Speaker 2: 54:59

I mean you and I, we sit on a board for the city of West Hollywood Like we literally don't just do this podcasting stuff, we actually put in the work for community. And there's so many other multifaceted people that are in our generation as millennials that aren't just doing one thing, they're doing multiple things to change the world. And I think I really commend Drake Bell for speaking up. I mean I'm still it. Uh, drake bell for speaking up, I mean I'm still.

Speaker 2: 55:25

It's a little hard for me to fully say that because of some of the stuff that he also did allegedly to, that's true. The girl, that's true. But as I looked into that lawsuit itself, um, apparently there was no thing sent. Uh, it was. She lied about her age. There's a lot of things there, but still, to an extent he's got some responsibility to take in that, because you can't you know, folks that experienced sexual assault can't go around and assault other people and say, well, I experienced it, so it's okay for me to do it. Like, we have to stop. You have to take that point and end that generational trauma and hold onto that and build a better space for kids, cause I am always a hundred percent about protecting kids.

Speaker 2: 56:01

Everyone tries to present this idea that trans people are not about protecting kids. If I didn't give a shit about kids, I would have been stealth, I would have lived a regular ass life, I would have never tried to become an advocate and I could have easily done that, especially as a white trans man. I give a shit about kids because of what I experienced as a child. I didn't have the language to talk about it now. So now, as an adult, I do have the language so that I can actually put that energy behind it, so folks can understand All of these things that we've been through as community in so many different ways. It's important for us to have these conversations and I thank you so much for always showing up to these episodes, blossom, because you know, despite all the hate comments, despite everything, you and I are both on this path and in a year, two, three from now, people will understand why we're having these conversations.

Speaker 1: 56:46

And.

Speaker 2: 56:46

I think they'll be a lot happier because we did it when no one else was really willing to do it, because it's not easy. Love you.

Speaker 1: 56:53

Dan.

Speaker 2: 56:54

We receive a lot of blowback. I mean Democrats don't like us, Republicans don't like us.

Speaker 1: 56:59

That's the thing. But you know what, though, we can handle it, and you know, my final thoughts on everything is I commend everybody that participated in this documentary and I commend everyone who's speaking out afterwards, because they are so brave, they're so powerful and, you know, it's helping someone, someone who may be experiencing the same thing.

Speaker 1: 57:21

It's helping them somehow, some way, and I think it's important that we hear about these stories, because we didn't know this like this is our childhood, no I millennials are traumatized, yeah, by this documentary, but I can't wait for the disney channel one to come out and I can't wait for some of these other things to come out or whatnot. You know, it was a very hard documentary to watch because the things that were happening on set there happened in other entities, like whether you're in healthcare, whether you're like in nonprofit, like it happens in so many other different industries, and comparing all of those things really was shocking and daunting to me. But it taught me a lot. I learned a lot and so, you know, I think that's where I just want to leave it. I think these people were brave and you know, that's that.

Speaker 2: 58:18

That is that. That is that everybody. That is the Transparency Podcast. We did it without no guests. That is that. That is that everybody.

Speaker 1: 58:22

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Speaker 2: 58:32

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Speaker 1: 58:35

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