2024 Pride Month Special: Building a Community at TGirl Nights

Have you ever wondered how a single night out can change lives? 

Join us as we sit down with Jamie, the event producer behind TGirl Nights at Hamburger Mary’s in Long Beach. 

Jamie Jameson's journey as an entertainer has been instrumental in shaping this haven, and you’ll hear personal stories that reveal just how impactful TGirl Nights has been, including a touching recount of Shelbe Chang’s first outing.

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

When I went to Jamie's for the first time I think it was 2011, right before you started coming, she welcomed me and you know I felt really good there. I mean, she's such a nice person. Yeah, it's good that we have people like that that you know will welcome the community.

Speaker 4: 0:24

This is the Transparency Podcast.

Speaker 2: 0:27

Show. I met a guy on Craigslist and he was a guy and he said he has a roommate. She's like a transgender cross-dresser person. So they have this club in Long Beach. It's called Hamburger Mary's. Hamburger Mary's every night has their own theme night. Every weekend is different theme. So one of the weekend is called T-Girls Night, meaning trans girls night.

Speaker 2: 0:59

So they asked me if I want to go. I said, okay, fine, I've never been, as I bought a dress the first time. Yeah, and I had my wigs and did my awful makeup. Yeah, I had a picture of Zoe Mika. It's very crazy and you know I wasn't expecting anything. It's actually my first time out fully.

Speaker 4: 1:23

I actually remember that first night yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:26

So when I walk in, I feel I've been kind of dressed on and off, you know, in closets, so I wasn't really sure what's going on. I was all those times I was trying to figure out for myself, like why am I having this desire, you know? So when I went to your event, walk in, I said wow, and I I suddenly feel this is, I belong here. Yeah, that's how I feel when I first walk in. So, um, we know everyone. A lot of people know jamie, you know, we know we don't need to introduce especially southern california, but, um, but main, probably many people don't know your background. Do you want to kind of introduce yourself and start? Sure, of course.

Speaker 4: 2:12

The thing about me is that I have been an entertainer. I've been entertaining my whole life. I was thinking when I was five years old and I was in kindergarten, my kindergarten teacher thought I had so much good energy that when we did our performance that winter, she put all the kids behind me, they put a striped coat on me, okay, and I sang. I went to walk down in front of them, I said and I sang tan shoes and pink shoelaces, a polka dot shirt and man, oh man. And everybody went crazy. They loved it, and it's kind of always been in my blood to entertain people and to find ways to have people enjoy themselves. Yes, now, ironically, when we started Tigre Nights back in 2009, there was really no place for us to go in Orange County.

Speaker 1: 3:07

That was my goal is that we had no place to go.

Speaker 4: 3:10

Now, ironically, by being in Long Beach, we actually serviced both Orange County and Los Angeles and people started just coming. They started showing up. One of the reasons I always told people is that when you come to the club I was there every Tuesday and so that I said, look at, maybe some of the people you don't know, that you that you wish you knew are not here, but I'm here. Guys and girls yeah, I talked to everybody. I made sure that everybody felt comfortable. I even gave drink tickets out to new girls.

Speaker 2: 3:40

Yes, yes, that's how I feel when I first walk in. You were very nice, I was introduced, you know, to you, um, with my friends, so I, I, I was very shocking, you know, knowing, oh, wow, everybody's like having fun and they don't feel scared or afraid and just be themselves. So that that's right. Yeah, that's why, you know, I changed a lot of lives and so when did you realize that you are kind of like, you know, thinking about feeling you identify yourself a little bit different than normal?

Speaker 4: 4:15

Yeah, well, you know, all of us go through different transitions in our life as far as the feminine energy goes, and our spirit goes.

Speaker 4: 4:22

You know, and mine was that way too it kind of went on and off for a bit and then actually I had a son and so I quit altogether for like 10, 15 years and then he went kind of off the rails and so I said, okay, you know what I'm dressing. Again, I always cute when people says I was kind of driven to dress instead of driven to drink, yeah, but um, so we got that. That how it kind of started. I really really wanted to be a part of the scene when I restarted in 2006. So I went to LA and I met all the people and got to know what was going on and I go, wow, this is a pretty nice group of nice people.

Speaker 1: 4:59

It was probably 100 people back then that were pretty active.

Speaker 4: 5:02

And I got to know a lot of them. And then a friend of mine decided to start a promotion. I said, hey, let me, let me get on board with this, because I had done corporate event production, so I understood the big picture, how to do all the different angles of it. And so when it came time for me to start my own production, I go oh, you know what? I know exactly what to do here. And I brought together a really strong staff of production people Teresa, ronnie, gracie, they were all. We all had film and all kinds of production value. So when we came in, we just go yeah, this is easy, we just do this with this and but. But the most important thing, along with all the logistics, was that it was very comfortable for everybody. Everybody loved being there.

Speaker 2: 5:41

Yes, loved being there, yes, and and when I first went the, the highlight from for myself, I'm sure for many girls too, is a red carpet, red carpet, uh photo. So did you came like you have?

Speaker 4: 5:54

this idea is from the yeah, from the beginning I said, you know what? Because a lot of venues will have a little place that you can stand in front and take a picture. But but I said no, we want to make this special. You can get a chance to be on the red carpet, yeah, and so people ate that up. Our photos without people in front of the red carpet are still on people's profiles all over the place.

Speaker 2: 6:15

Yes, it's very, it's very genius, for marketing purpose as well. So I remember like at that time I was only able to go on Saturday, every month only once. So every time after that Saturday I went every week, because I remember you only post one album per week, you know, you don't throw it out there at once. So I was like okay, I have it. And you know, I have these things. How do you want to see? Because, because, because, um, because I, I think your, your idea is perfectly for trend for us trans girls, because we want to doll up, you know, dress up, and we love to see how ourselves look like.

Speaker 2: 6:55

And for me I remember the first time, you know, I don't know, even know how to pose right. So, teddy, and you know our friend, he's a red carpet photographer.

Speaker 4: 7:04

He kind of also teaches how to pose and everything People always love the red carpet, especially because they can just get out there and do whatever they want to do and, like I say, our photographer will kind of help them pose if they want, or they can just be themselves, but bottom line is they get to have pictures of them in like a Hollywood format.

Speaker 2: 7:23

Yeah, so I really dig into that right in the beginning.

Speaker 4: 7:28

Oh, at the old club we used to put the red carpet out on the parking lot. So when people would drive by, they'd go what?

Speaker 2: 7:34

the heck is going on there. Yeah, it's just like you say, it's just like the real. Hollywood Boulevard yeah.

Speaker 4: 7:41

And it was so simple and it just was like a no-brainer. It's like, of course, that's what we should do, you know. So we made sure to emphasize that. We had a great dance party, we had beautiful go-go dancers, you know.

Speaker 2: 7:53

All those things just made for an amazing night yeah, talk about pride, so we've been to some parades. Right, you want to share that?

Speaker 3: 8:03

that, since praise was so much fun, right, because, um, it's just, love is in the air, the spirit of the vibe, everyone's just there to have a good time, right? I mean, oh my god, you're just smiling from ear to ear, you're on the float or you're in the back of the car going down the parade and everyone's just like happy. You know, happy to be there. You know you don't get this bad vibe from anything. I don't know about this year, right, I will see. Tomorrow there's WeHo Pride parade, right. Even a couple of days ago, even in North Hollywood, at an elementary school, they had a pride thing. I think it was elementary and there was people out there, you know, picketing this thing. So I never heard of this before, really, but now everyone's up in arms about it.

Speaker 5: 8:56

We were on the San Diego Pride, with the Palm Springs, with LA and Hollywood Pride, Orange County Pride and, as you write, Kimmy, it's so about the energy you know when you are in the float, Because one thing is to go sit on the side and watch the floats go, which is awesome, but when you are on the float itself and you see the people, the energy you know, and there's all kinds young, old, kids.

Speaker 3: 9:28

And kids are happy. They're saying groom the kids, grooming the kids Kids, they know they're spying on.

Speaker 2: 9:37

Yeah, that became a big deal. How's that happen?

Speaker 4: 9:40

Well, you know, I got invited to ride on a parade in Long Beach and I go. When I saw it, I go. You, you know what. Maybe next year we're going to do our own. And, sure enough, next year I, I inquired more, found out what it will take to apply and get everything approved. And long beach is simpler than la, actually. But so we went. We went into long beach probably we had a little car, I think the first time out, and then we built a float and then we started using the float for Long Beach and Los Angeles. Los Angeles turned out to be a huge deal Gigantic as far as the people that everybody wanted to get on the float. It was like you couldn't turn away.

Speaker 2: 10:23

It's funny. I went to the parade every year, but I always be the participant. I've never been the person on the side watching, not yet. So yeah, so, thanks to you, you know, invite me to those flows. So do you have any other plans on towards? You know, expand.

Speaker 4: 10:49

Well, we're trying to do different things. You know our club format is strong, right, and it's very polished. Yes, now we're trying to reach into the non-binary kind of that little category. I have another promoter that's very successful so far. So we're trying to hook up and come with another co-promotion that we can add to the mix and so then we have, because then we can reach even more of the younger people, because the non-binary is even underage a little bit, but they go 25 to 30 tops. You know it's a whole different animal. Their parties are so different than ours, it's a lot more casual. You know it's a whole different animal. Her parties are so different than ours, it's a lot more casual. You know it's easy running but nobody really dresses up per se. Like we have a different format.

Speaker 2: 11:35

Yeah, we are more like a fashion show and it has to be on the top of the line.

Speaker 4: 11:41

For non-binary. They like to just hang out yeah.

Speaker 5: 11:43

You know, they just want to, they don't you know?

Speaker 4: 11:46

and so I'm trying to find a way to cut that over. That's our new goal.

Speaker 2: 11:50

Yeah, and then we're. When I say top of the line, we're not like, if we mentioned drag queen, we're not like drag queen. Drag queen is more like really, it's like a stage performer, you know. So they really bring themselves out there.

Speaker 4: 12:04

It's like a stage performer, so they really bring themselves out there, right, but we're not like that. It's a whole different thing. Contrast-wise, think of a drag queen is a man that dresses up as a woman and then just yells at everybody. I mean, look, it's that style and people love it, so the fact that they love it is fine. What we do is a much more. Who?

Speaker 2: 12:25

we are.

Speaker 4: 12:25

More down-to-earth kind of format and I make sure I promote that part of it. You know, it's like we can be any place in the spectrum that we are. We could be just starting, we could be polished, we could be whatever. But you're always welcome to come in.

Speaker 2: 12:39

Yes, yeah, I really, like I say in the beginning, you really changed my life and I'm sure a lot of girls told you the same thing over the years I think that's part of the part of the gratification that I get this kind of feedback from lots of people.

Speaker 4: 12:57

Some people are hard to even know, even know, yeah.

Speaker 2: 12:59

Some girls said oh, I really appreciate the fact that you did these events for us because it just changed my life and I wouldn't even some of these girls I don't even know yeah, it's true because, um, like I say, it make us, um, just explore and discover ourselves more each every time we we go there and we feel more comfortable each time we go there and then we kind of uh, has has the guts to to go out. Um, you know go out, do other things and and and and. Then you know make decision to go out. You know go out, do other things and you know make decision to go full time. You didn't have any idea that you will make this huge impact like this.

Speaker 4: 13:36

Well, you know, my focus has always been entertainment. I am a director that we all have find a comfortable place to be and enjoy ourselves. Now, as a result of it, has it become a community factor, a pillar? Yes, it has. Of course it has Overall, just over longevity, over 14 years, people go oh, we know where to go, we go to Long Beach. And so it kind of became its own little community band, which is great. I love the fact that we can do that, we can service the community in that way.

Speaker 2: 14:08

So throughout the last you say 14 years, or throughout all these 14 years, you you can kind of see like difference of you know um, how, how, society accepting us, also affect that people you know, go to the events or a club, oh yeah it's amazing how now look, I tell people all the time.

Speaker 4: 14:28

Look, we live in California.

Speaker 2: 14:31

Right.

Speaker 4: 14:31

This could be the big blue bubble state anyway. Okay, because some of these things you couldn't do in Texas or you couldn't do in Florida or we would have trouble with it being accepted. But in California it's very accepted and we're very fortunate to have that of course.

Speaker 4: 14:44

Because, people, you can go to a Denny's and go into the bathroom and come back out and nobody thinks twice about it. Yeah, they don't think twice about it here, you know. But so that's also by being comfortable with us at our club. I remember the first time some girl came and goes, oh, can I use the women's bathroom? I said, of course, please.

Speaker 2: 15:06

Talk about that. I had a funny story. Talk about that. I had a funny story when I first went to an event with my friend and I think second or third time I went by myself somehow. I thought it was at the Old Mary at Broadway, so I went there and then I didn't see anybody. I saw the first time. And then I went to, like you said I want to go to the bathroom, but what? And then I went to, like you said I want to go to the bathroom, but since I was new, so I went to the male bathroom because I didn't know. So this guy's in there like probably think I'm a little drunk or probably think, and told me that this is the wrong bathroom for you. Yeah, and then you also mentioned Denny's. So remember, we also always like after the club, we go to the Denny's. Yeah, we had like a lot of tables, huge tables, yeah. And I went to Denny's just not too long ago. Somehow I just kind of not see that same crowd anymore, especially after COVID.

Speaker 4: 16:09

We used to go to Denny's after the club closed and we would stay there till six in the morning, wow, and one guy would buy us a lot of his breakfast. So we had like 30 of us in there, all from the club we all like having, and it was actually a better social environment than the club even Because you could just sit and chat, yeah.

Speaker 2: 16:29

So you kind of sit and chat, yeah, so you kind of take over the whole restaurant, but I roll in at like 6.30 in the morning, I go.

Speaker 4: 16:34

good grief, that was a long day.

Speaker 2: 16:36

We were all you know. You saved me in the beginning, so we were all younger. Now I cannot do that anymore. Yeah, so let's see. So you want to share your transition journey? I don't know if you want to share this. I know you recently made a huge decision, right?

Speaker 4: 16:59

Yeah, that's an interesting answer. Actually, we just declared that we're going to be separated and that started last year. I've always lived pretty heavily as a girl most of the time, like maybe 70% of the time, and so now I've pushed it way over and I just said, look, I'm going to go full time. And so that just decided that. She just decided that that's fine, we're over. And you know, look, that happens a lot. I see it happen all the time. To be honest with you, but with our case, if you took the trans quotient out of our relationship being married for 30 years we were still done. We weren't going to get any farther. So you throw that in there and it's like well, whatever, you know.

Speaker 2: 17:42

Okay. Is there a reason that triggered you to go full-time? Is there an event or something occurred to trigger you to wanting to go full-time? Is there an event or something occurred to trigger you to wanting to go full-time?

Speaker 4: 17:54

Well, I think there's a lot of different things, obviously, but actually, to be honest with you, even more so this last year, we had three people pass away in our community. Yeah, and it was very hard for me to accept the fact that none of their families wanted anything to do with their trans life and they were kind of left on the side. I go, you know that's not going to happen to me. Yeah, you know I'm not going to let that happen to me.

Speaker 2: 18:20

Yeah, yeah, it's. Yeah, we just hurt another girl. Yeah, but yeah, so it's. I don't know why it's just one going after another one.

Speaker 4: 18:32

That was more impetus for me to just come out. My family knew, but my other extended family didn't know, and they've all been unbelievable. So when you really set it out there and you talk about being authentic, then they go oh yes, we understand and again, we live in a society now where there's so much more acceptance for what we are and who we are as people, and so that's a big part too.

Speaker 2: 18:57

Okay, so do you have like? I know you're an event planner and do all the entertaining business. You're in real estate too, right, Yep.

Speaker 4: 19:11

Yeah, I have a very, very, very, very large portfolio in industrial buildings. And so that actually carries me around and everybody else in my life. But we're all fine. You know, I make a very good living and it allows me to freedom yes, do things that I want to do that's all I've ever wanted is freedom to be expressive, yeah express myself as a girl, express myself to my friends and enjoy ourselves yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 19:41

So that's why I'm kind of also getting to real say to want the freedom, wants the health and you know, and and all the um. But the goodies come along with the real estate business, right yeah of course yeah.

Speaker 4: 19:58

And we're real estate in California, no less. Yes, right.

Speaker 2: 20:02

But it's very competitive too. For, let's say for myself, my father, took farmland and traded it from.

Speaker 4: 20:09

In fact, you could do this. You could 1031 farmland to buildings in 1964. Wow, that's when we started this whole thing. Yes, yeah, so a building, matter of fact. We just sold one that we bought for in trade for like $30,000, 1964. It's just sold for $3 million, wow.

Speaker 2: 21:00

Yeah, cause I'm back, then I don't know. Some people say boom, boomer has had an easy because the price was just started going up. So right now a lot of people say for people, right now it's harder to buy. But actually it's all about, you know, like numbers games, if you can figure out how much you can afford to pay and how much down and blah, blah, blah, or maybe you can do. There's so many options. If you cannot make a payment, you can do Airbnb, you can do a lot of things.

Speaker 4: 21:34

Every 10 years we would stop and say the prices can't go any higher, can they? 1970, they're pretty high, it's not going to go any higher. 1980, wow, the prices can't go any higher than this, right 1990. In 1999, I bought an industrial building for under a million dollars Beautiful building, actually, one of my favorites, right Right In 1999, now it's worth $3.5 million, just that one building.

Speaker 2: 22:01

I know. So now we are in a 10-year cycle again. Right, so so now we are in an in a 10-year cycle again, yeah, so so you well again, it's california.

Speaker 4: 22:12

The problem is that there are so many of the things about california that are tough for businesses. Work comp you know it's very high. You know wages are high here in california, but people still want to be here. The the big thing now is how how we're recovering from COVID.

Speaker 4: 22:28

Because everything you know, and some people come in, they go. It's not as busy as it was. I go. Well, none of the clubs were as busy as they were, unless there's the Brit or some plenty place that holds like 50 people. Then I thought I could be affected. But a big club like us- is going to be affected, no matter what.

Speaker 4: 22:43

Because people before COVID they were just yeah, let's go there, let's go here, let's drink here. You pile a bunch of people, all the better. But now it's different. I talked to a couple of girls that still are quite hesitant to come out to a public gathering.

Speaker 2: 22:58

Oh really.

Speaker 4: 22:58

Yeah, even with the knowledge and knowing, and they're intelligent people, but they just don't feel comfortable interacting in that manner. So I get it, you know, come when you're comfortable.

Speaker 2: 23:09

Yeah, yeah. So we have to keep continuing to support your business, because it's not just a business or entertainment it can change people's life. I'm a very good example.

Speaker 4: 23:21

Yeah Well, like I say, as far as the club business goes, the strongest thing you can do is be consistent, and we're consistent every month and we do themes. You know two, three times a year that people love and we just want to make sure that people know that when they come on the first Saturday, for example, that we're there.

Speaker 2: 23:39

Yeah, talk about, like you say, consistency, like I did some events as well as you know. So I remember when I the first two to three events, first two only me show up, me and Al show up. So the third one it was like a Halloween, which is close to this time, it was like a first pre-dinner. So we have three to five more people show up, so it just keep going and going. So I'm sure when you first started, just a few people show up and then they grow, grow, grow right.

Speaker 4: 24:14

I had a funny thing of how I promoted and I used to do it on Craigslist, which doesn't exist anymore, but I used to promote the night, I had a little flyer and after that, then the next day on that same slot, I say, okay, we had 14 girls, 10 guys and a little dance party, and every week I kept promoting the numbers and how they changed. And then I got to a point where it was kind of that was kind of my deal with that. I would say, well, how many people showed up and how many guys showed up, and so on and so forth. And when we got to, when we really got going, we were getting 45, 50 girls on a Tuesday night and 75 guys. As a matter of fact, I stopped counting the guys. There were so many guys, but people would recognize they go.

Speaker 4: 24:58

Oh, if there's that many people there, I should go and eventually they get there and they would go.

Speaker 2: 25:03

Yeah, so I kind of follow your footstep and we took pictures at the event. So every single event has more group push-ups and more and more and more people.

Speaker 4: 25:14

People can appreciate that, especially because I just didn't do it out of nowhere. I did it every week. I gave a report every week. I actually used to put everybody's names in my Blackboard. I used to keep track of everybody.

Speaker 2: 25:27

Yeah, that's good. Yeah, because a lot of people probably see nobody show up first few times. They just forget about it.

Speaker 4: 25:37

Yeah, but at the beginning. I remember when we first started, I looked around and it didn't seem like there were that many people. But, then I talked to Teresa the bartender. She goes these are all your people. We don't know any of these people. I go oh really. So that's when I got the impetus to go out and make sure to talk to the guys, because they were very interested but nobody would talk to them. So I made sure to talk to everybody.

Speaker 2: 26:00

Yeah, because Hamburger Mary every day, every weekend, has a different promoter, different events. So it's kind of, when you mention this it's like I can apply, because I've been a few times, but in the beginning I've never really been to other nights or other dates of Hamburger Mary. It's even only yours, so yeah.

Speaker 4: 26:27

Even when we went to Rhythm Lounge, for example, and you went there, that was when we were trying to break away, partly because I didn't want to always be associated with Hamburger Mary's. If I could help it, I wanted to be T-Girl Nights by itself T-Girl Nights at Hamburger Mary's or T-Girl Nights at Rhythm Lounge, or T-Girl Nights and nights at Rhythm Lounge or Tigranites and try to get a little more mobile with it, and for the most part, that worked. Rhythm Lounge was an interesting place, but it was pretty neat in how it was set up. It just had other parts of the club that were a failure.

Speaker 2: 26:56

The ownership was a failure. Yeah, I only. That's why I went to the wrong place, like I mentioned, because I think you say, go back to the old one, or something like that, and I think I went too early.

Speaker 4: 27:10

We have had nothing but great support at Hammer Murray's.

Speaker 2: 27:12

Dale.

Speaker 4: 27:13

Warner the owner has really been very cool, very, very, very open to my ideas, especially because I didn't ask him for anything. I never asked him for a dime. You know, some people say well, we'll do this, but you got to help us here, or can you pay for this? I go no. My style was if I paid for everything, then I controlled everything. Yeah, exactly right, then I could do it in my style right, do it your way.

Speaker 4: 27:35

Catered fit us nobody nobody could say anything, and it became so successful. They go let her. Let her do what she wants to do.

Speaker 2: 27:44

Yeah, okay, that's good. So you're going to run for 14 more years?

Speaker 4: 27:49

Yes, Maybe from afar right.

Speaker 2: 27:53

From afar. Yeah. So any advice, any last words for girls.

Speaker 4: 28:03

Well, you know, people come to me and they'll say I'm going to open a club, I go good, okay. So first, I'm going to open a club, I go good, okay. So first off, in order to open a club, what do you need to have? You go, well, we have to have a place, I go right. So right there, you're restricted, because not a lot of straight bars are going to want to have one night be a trans night, much less a Saturday night, Because Saturday nights for most restaurants and bars are the night they can make money.

Speaker 4: 28:31

Yes, so you have to be pretty convincing that you have to make them a lot more money.

Speaker 3: 28:35

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4: 28:36

Or they have to be interested in us as a community to back us. Yes, that's about the only way it's going to happen. Now I've been thinking recently that if I could find a reasonable venue, like a bank wall, I could also transform that. Then I wouldn't have the constraints other than maybe having to get a permit with the city to do an event there. So I'm looking at different ways to do it, because it's very difficult to find a venue that is trans-friendly.

Speaker 2: 29:06

Yes.

Speaker 4: 29:06

And I don't even know that there's that much of a demand for it. When people go to the abbey, for example, which is kind of all-inclusive, you know, and they like that and it's a big place, yeah and so. But that's like us. When we first, when we first got going, we were really big and powerful, so it didn't matter whether we were trans or straight or lesbian or gay, whatever.

Speaker 4: 29:27

Everybody would come, yes. So we're still using that formula to keep ourselves going. But to try and branch out and start again, I don't even know where to begin. I haven't even thought about how it could work. I mean, I guess you could try and find another gay bar, maybe that would be willing to take it on. But even those are kind of far and few between.

Speaker 2: 29:48

Yeah, it's kind of yeah, it doesn't have a lot of, especially Orange County, to be honest.

Speaker 4: 29:56

Well, I'm thinking Orange County still might be a place to do it. But I'm just, I just have to kind of sort it out, get it past the first year, because if you really kind of think about it.

Speaker 2: 30:07

Southern California, you know, weho is LA County, long Beach, san Diego has that.

Speaker 4: 30:15

Right, the Euclid area, palm.

Speaker 2: 30:16

Springs, Orange County. You never heard of it, See yeah.

Speaker 4: 30:20

Well, like I say, we benefited being in Long Beach because we drew people from as far north as Wesley Village all the way down to San Clemente and we were kind of sort of central, still a drive for everybody. But we just keep going forward. I'm not opposed to trying anything. Resources haven't been too much of a problem. We just have to find a place that makes sense resources haven't been too much of a problem.

Speaker 2: 30:48

You know, we just have to find a place that makes sense. Yes, exactly, okay. So thank you for coming to our show, of course, thank you for looking forward to more of your events and clubs. Dinners, holiday parties absolutely yes, and then more girls transform because of you. Okay, oh, thank you. I really appreciate you. You're like my second mother, right, okay, all right, thank you, thank you. Okay, we will be back again next time. Bye-bye.

Speaker 5: 31:21

She came to me and she gave me a drink ticket and she made me feel like really welcome. She came to me and she gave me a drink ticket and she made me feel like really welcome. So there's some people and some places that really shaped who we are today.