Angela Carini vs Imane Khelif's Fight Controversy, Trans Athletes, and Fairness in Sports

Carini's stumble wasn't just a trip up in the ring; it became a media sensation that distorted the narrative around female boxers. 

Join Shelbe Chang, Shane Ivan Nash, and Thomas Barnes as we unpack the controversy surrounding her fight with an Italian opponent and delve into the broader implications for women in sports. 

From the unfair portrayal of Khelif, accused of being a trans woman, to the strategic planning behind Olympic events, we offer a no-holds-barred look at how female athletes are represented and the immense pressure they face.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Boxing Controversy and Narrative Analysis
• 6:47 Transgender Athletes in Sports Debate

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

I don't know if you both know that, but that same boxer was in another fight and tripped over her own foot and they like replayed how she tripped over her foot and they were like, how did you fall? Boxer Karini has been known for doing stunts as well in the boxing ring.

Speaker 2: 0:18

Yeah, I would put it this way, that's since we're not in. That wasn't even the semifinals. That was just an attempt to get rid of the biggest competition so far. Because I've seen a lot of boxing. I watched Mike Tyson's fights For real, in real time. I know what a hard hit looks like. I've watched some female box professional boxers go at it I know what a hard hit looks like. Remember that? Uh, I can't remember her name, the white girl that was kicking everybody's butt.

Speaker 1: 0:58

But Ronda.

Speaker 2: 0:59

Rousey yeah, she could throw a right cross.

Speaker 1: 1:02

Yeah, she was scary.

Speaker 2: 1:08

Not to down, not to disrespect Khalif, but and I hope I didn't just mess up her name that's her family name. Okay, I'm going to make sure, but not to disrespect her. But she didn't really hit that Italian girl. She didn't give her a good, solid hit and it didn't look like she hit her with a strong clip either. The girl danced a little bit, she threw a couple jabs and then threw the fight.

Speaker 3: 1:42

Yeah, so that's why.

Speaker 2: 1:43

They had that plan from the beginning. Yeah, so that's why they had that plan from the beginning.

Speaker 3: 1:47

So that's why I really think people judging, you know, having this controversy is because of how they look, you know, outside.

Speaker 2: 1:59

You know how they yeah, and everybody's plastering pictures of Khalif all over the place, you know, but they're only plastering pictures of Khalif all over the place, you know. But, they're only plastering pictures of her in the ring. They're not posting pictures of her like out with her girlfriends. They're not putting pictures of her out on a date. They're not no only pictures of her in the ring. Yeah, where she ain't got no makeup no no. Skin toner no, no lotion how do you know?

Speaker 3: 2:30

there's no lotion.

Speaker 1: 2:31

Just kidding, that's just a bad angle of a celebrity, like purposefully, you know, like it seems intentional with the photo release that because they were really trying to push that narrative that this is a man fighting a woman and a lot of people were really saying that this was a trans woman. When I mean, I hate to break it to y'all, but she has a vagina, you know, like kids I'm not sure. I don't confirm that.

Speaker 2: 2:56

You ain't got to say it like you're spilling the beans.

Speaker 1: 3:01

I'm not trying to tell her. Everybody thought, oh my God, it's a man hitting a woman. And, to your point, I saw Khalif kind of holding back too, and I think it's this narrative of like maybe Because Khalif is supposed to be a seated boxer too, like what they're doing with the Olympics is they're going to take, like some of the tough fighters and they're going to spread them out. They're not going to fight them all at once in the beginning, they're going to spread them out.

Speaker 2: 3:23

They're not going to fight them all at once in the beginning. They're going to kind of make a show of it yeah, you've got to have it last, it's got to entertain. And this right here was the Italians. This was the Italians' attempt at getting rid of the known number one contender for the gold medal, or for any medal for that fact. And the same thing is, I wouldn't doubt if it wasn't the same thing with the Taiwanese girl, because she was almost guaranteed bronze. From what I saw, a lot of reports said she was guaranteed to take bronze. Khalif was they were expecting her guaranteed to take gold. They didn't even mention who was going to take silver. They just left that up for grabs. So I'm like Alright, alright, but no. When I look at that I'm like no, that's, she didn't even try. I mean, at least go like a no, at least go two rounds and be like I ain't never been hit that hard. I can't do no more of this. I don't know what's going on, right?

Speaker 1: 4:28

But though, because it's ridiculously bad, like she literally like, oh my God, oh my god, it's, it's horrific. The other fight that she was in, uh, the italian boxer. Like you see her back up and she trips over her own foot and even the announcer is like I don't know what happened. Like how did she fall?

Speaker 2: 4:47

she was the best italy had to put in there it's happened, I've, I've, uh. I was in junior high and I played track and field because it was something to do. Give me something to do as a kid, stay out of trouble, not running the streets. That was how my family sucked. I did track and field. I was great at the hurdles and the relay, awesome at that shit. But I sucked at the what is it?

Speaker 2: 5:24

The once around the track race, the 100 meter, not the 100 meter like a 200 or something. I sucked at that because I get halfway around the track and start running out of gas. I'm a little kid, it't you know? It just wasn't. It's not something I trained for, but my coach put me in for it all the time because we didn't have anybody who could do the race. And I'm like alright, and he knew I would get out there and I would at least try, I wouldn't quit. Did I go around the race? We knew it was a race we weren't going to win. I'd just get out there and putt around and just do best I could.

Speaker 2: 6:05

After I ran a track, everybody starts gaffing me. The people I passed are passing me now Because I didn't understand and my coach never explained it to me, but he wasn't worried about me running that. He was only worried about me running the hurdles and the relay, because the hurdles and relay I had it down, so that was all coach cared about. He's like, yeah, just just do something, just go around the track. That was it. Just go around the track in his little tidy gym shorts. That's what we all wore back then. You can look at them 70s and 80s gym shorts. They were terrible, terrible.

Speaker 3: 6:41

Yeah, I saw Bruce Jenner has those shorts.

Speaker 2: 6:45

Yeah, we all Bruce.

Speaker 3: 6:46

Jenner. Okay, so I have a question to ask you guys. Talk about Bruce Jenner, caitlyn Jenner. Now she is against trans women to participate in the women's sports. I want to see how you guys think about that, because I'm going to start. My personal view is, I think, okay, state the question again right quick. I say Caitlyn Jenner is against trans women to participate in the women's sports. Okay, that's her political view. I want to ask you guys what do you think about trans women?

Speaker 1: 7:32

What you got, what Mine, what's yours? Don't hide what you got, don't put it on me. No, I want to start. And Thomas asked me what was the question? What mine, what's yours?

Speaker 3: 7:37

don't hide what you got, don't put it on me. No, I wanna. I wanted to start and Thomas asked me what was the question, so my okay, mine was cause there's a talk that people thinking like we should create a new category, and actually I support that. I don't know what other people think, but I think if we create not a third gender per se, but maybe a category for trans or non-binary folks to participate, in the camp and then, however, after I had that thought, I thought about okay, this is, you know, all the sports are, at the end of the day, is still business, right, it's still commercial.

Speaker 3: 8:21

So if we some category like that, does any company, any people, anybody's going to watch it? That's another challenge, right? So I don't know, that's another challenge, right? So I don't know. That's why I'm kind of support a new category, but not sure on a business side.

Speaker 2: 8:41

So what do you guys think about? Should trans?

Speaker 3: 8:43

women, trans men participate in the women and men's sports Shane. You want to take the mic?

Speaker 1: 8:52

Oh, you want to pass it to me? Yeah, and my answer is this just because of this reason, of my lived experience, I'm a trans man, six foot tall and I was excluded from a lot of sports because of that. Yes, I have a vagina. I wanted to also say that too. Um, but what that has meant for me and how I've seen a lot of this discussion about trans women in sports. When I grew up as a kid it was very problematic in a lot of ways, but there was still this idea that women can really achieve anything and this glass ceiling that we were all supposed to break through in a sense still exists extremely heavily. And back to kind of my point earlier about how this is kind of a layer of misogyny, just to my own viewpoint, from what I see, because as a trans man, I would love to participate in sports against men, to be honest.