Unfiltered Conversations on Trans Journeys and Role Models

What challenges do pioneers face when society isn't ready for their truth?

Our guest, Baba contrasts Buck's raw experiences with the often isolated and digital explorations of gender identity today. Baba uncovers how Buck transitioned from being a striking model to a resilient voice, confronting hostility and misunderstanding while inspiring countless others to live unapologetically.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Challenges of Transgender Identity Acceptance
• 4:44 Shared Experiences of Transition

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Nobody cared who was fucking who. All we cared about was beating the shit out of each other in a pit Cause it wasn't like one of these circle mosh pits, it was like war zone. It's all we cared about. That was, that was it.

Speaker 1: 0:12

And Buck was very Buck and Ron Athey and all them they were. They were very much all together and it was a scene and Buck was a Buck was a gorgeous model. Buck had blonde hair, gorgeous model. And then later, um, buck started transitioning and had to live through hell. And to this day, if somebody like runs up on Buck and I'm around, I will fuck you up. I have that motherfucker's back, like it's nobody's business.

Speaker 1: 0:46

But buck, um, because you were there at the start, yeah, buck, buck was uh, um, I'm saying was buck's, still alive and very outspoken and very much a powerhouse in the trans community. But buck, um, buck would get assaulted, buck would get beat up. Nobody understood what Buck was doing and all of us, as friends, didn't care what Buck was doing. We were just like it's Buck, it's Buck, yeah, yeah, I don't care. Like, well, buck says this you know gay people that were looking for gay boys. Buck was dressed like a LA gang member like a punk rock gang member and stuff, and found out that Buck had a snatch and would kick his ass. You know, it was just like why? Why the violence? Why, if you want to be passionate and fuck this person, are you just going to beat their ass? You know you should have just brought that shit up. That's a question I frequently ask. You should have just brought that shit up, yeah that.

Speaker 2: 1:45

That's a question I frequently been like.

Speaker 1: 1:46

Oh like cool, concerns me that somebody buck buck put up with a lot and got a lot of of negativity and even even in, even in his uh, there he is, right there, um and that's the one that the transphobes want to have go into the women's restroom because, uh, because, buck, buck is just, buck lived and still does live the the trans life as it's real in la, before all these kids living out of their basement decided that they were going to be trans and you know, the now version of trans is all like well, if you want to do something, you have the right. We should all support you. Buck is all like. You should figure out what you really want to do in life and not have anybody influence you and just do it and do it. He, he did it and um, but like with this, oh, I mean the didn't know how. I didn't have a label for what's going on now until I heard Buck call somebody a sissy cross-dresser. Then everything made sense Because you're like, I know you and Nikki and that pain in the ass, jenna, yeah, thank you.

Speaker 1: 3:06

And you ladies decided to let loose of what was inside and become women yeah, beautiful women and this these motherfuckers are hiding in their basement, putting lipstick on, crying about shit, when they're not even out there experiencing anything. They hear about something, but they never left their basement. And then they're like well, this makes me feel bad. And all this other shit. Like, what about you? What about you? Who fucking all your kids, your colleagues, your ex and I'm not going to go into personal shit, but I've heard all of this yes, that you still still stood the fuck up and went outside and had to deal with people in your face yelling or dealt with with some type of uh of of negativity going towards you, like whether it's bad looks or people's attitudes or being denied at places, or whatever. You lived it, they lived it. These motherfuckers are in the fucking basement crying about shit that never happened to them, but called them sissy crossdressers Because there's no proof that they're even sexual. They're hiding.

Speaker 2: 4:21

This is a whole big other issue.

Speaker 1: 4:25

I understand your views because we've talked about them and I respect your views and I understand Buck's views. But I've known Buck so much longer and I've known the shit that he has put up with and the fact that anybody even questions him. You can question him. You went through the whole transition. I don't know if people know, but you went through the whole transition. As far as I'm going to get into that because that's your own personal business.

Speaker 2: 4:51

Oh yeah, I've discussed having surgery and all the other things. You got the fucking.

Speaker 1: 4:56

You got the re-enragement. I I went all in fuck. You jumped in the goddamn deep end, grabbed your phone out of the bottom of the lake, the harbor, you jumped straight in and dealt with it. There was no turning back for you. There's no turning back for anybody. I understand that Nikki and them, like you, know what they do for a living. If they did do what you do, they'll lose money and lose interest. Yeah, you know, know because. But you jumped in. So to me, you and buck are like true trans and you stand up, you're on this side and he's on this side and I'm in the middle. But I don't give a fuck because I'll kick somebody's ass for you too. But buck is, buck is. Uh, bucks had my respect before any of this shit even became popular.

Speaker 1: 5:43

Before anybody knew what trans was Before it became popular, like you know, like what happened to furries.

Speaker 2: 5:50

I don't like to say popular, I just like to say more. I say it because these people aren't doing anything.

Speaker 1: 5:55

They're just crying More open and they have these crazy-ass fucking opinions and they're getting like crying and yelling and shit. Crazy ass fucking opinions and they're getting like crying and yelling and shit. Like this.

Speaker 2: 6:03

it's like really it's a it's a difficult subject, and it's a difficult subject for me as a trans person to to, to navigate to a certain extent because, but it's no matter what it's your own journey, it's their own journey, and and what I say is that, look, I, I can't speak for anybody else's journey. I can only speak for my journey and what I've gone through and what I view and what I needed to do, and it's an intensely and deeply personal thing. I mean you having watched a personal journey everybody's original.

Speaker 1: 6:37

Like, your journey is your journey. I personally, if I was having the desire to change and I was going to go in that direction, if I had questions or something, here's somebody who's been this way forever. Yep, I mean, I think Buck started transition like maybe the late 80s, maybe 90, 91, something like that. And what do you have? Seven, eight years under your belt. I've got 10 now 10.

Speaker 2: 7:06

10 years, fuck, yeah, yes, I am 10.

Speaker 1: 7:10

So here's people that live this did this. I would ask them. I would be like I don't know what I'm feeling here. I wouldn't go to some fucking therapist that's getting paid by the hour to listen to you and not give you any answers that are concrete, just so you can keep coming back. And I wouldn't listen to anybody who's either hardcore pro or hardcore phobic on the issue, cause they're only going to say their own personal opinions and throat. And you know, try to change, try to change. But here's two people that that have changed on both ends of the spectrum. And, um, you know, I would trust both of your opinions. But did you do any of Buck's tattoos? Now we keep talking about it. He called me. I mean, we texted today and yeah, he's a very busy.

Speaker 2: 8:01

Well, Baba, I think we could talk for hours easily.

Speaker 1: 8:05

I'm. What is that timer starting? A lot of fuck up. That's like we're getting around. I saw that shit go to zero. Now it's at two 10.

Speaker 2: 8:13

I'm like oh we're like getting to the hour point and we try to keep these and that therapist getting paid right now, cause now you're in overtime. Well, I hope no, I hope you've really enjoyed doing this, because I've maybe loved to have you come back and talk about some other things I definitely have.

Speaker 1: 8:28

I didn't know what to expect. You know, some people are like oh, she wants to talk to you about this and I'm like, well, I can't talk about that. Or she wants to talk to you about this, I'm like I can't talk about that.