Rogan, Trump, and Musk on Choice and Identity

The lines between personal freedom and societal norms are blurred in our latest episode, where we comentary on the Joe Rogan show with Donald Trump and Elon Musk. 

Shelbe Chang and Thomas Barnes tackle the complex portrayal of transgender individuals in the media, challenging preconceived notions and highlighting the surprising insights from Rogan and Musk on transgender rights. Their candid revelations may defy public expectations, offering a deeper look into their perspectives on personal choice and identity.

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Streamyard Kung Fu Streamyard. Okay, streamyard Kung Fu, alright, so I was watching. I don't know, have you seen Joe Rogan's interview with Trump? That was like 3 hours long.

Speaker 2: 0:20

No.

Speaker 1: 0:21

I finished it finally, but I couldn't finish in one set. I divided it into I don't know many sections.

Speaker 2: 0:30

Yeah, like three or four sections.

Speaker 1: 0:32

Yeah, three hours long. So today. And then the next one I watched was a new one with Elon Musk's interview, one with Elon Musk interview, and I want to share this with our community because in the mainstream, everybody think Joe Rogan, or even Elon Musk, is very, you know, discriminate, trans people or very not supported. But this I was shocked myself. I was shocked myself too. I was watching this.

Speaker 3: 1:08

And then let's hear what they say that you know, hang on, there's a psychological condition called autogynephilia, where people get aroused. Heterosexual men get aroused by the idea of dressing up like women and being around women. It's like a known psychological condition that exists forever. And then you're allowing those people to just say oh, oh, I'm trans and go into the women's locker room and get their their kicks. And then there's real trans people.

Speaker 3: 1:32

So there's like a lot of variability I talked about it in my act, in my my netflix specials. Like I believe in freedom, I believe in transgender people, but I also believe in crazy people. And if you can't, if you're trying to pretend that people aren't crazy, all of a sudden.

Speaker 4: 1:46

It's like it just, it's just like like if, if someone's a sort of consenting adult, they want to whatever they want to do to their body, as long as it's not harming someone else.

Speaker 4: 1:55

I'm like that's fine yeah I believe in like individual freedom yeah, I hear you and uh, like like my you know mom's best friend, like growing up when I was a kid, was a transgender woman in South Africa. This was like where you know she'd get beaten up a lot because it was like back then you get beaten up. So her name is Dion and for a nice kind human being and help my mom a lot, you know, and I think that's okay, you know that's, that's fine. If somebody wants to make that choice as an adult, that's cool.

Speaker 3: 2:34

There's a big difference between that and an intact male who wants to identify as a woman, who wants to walk around the locker room with his dick out. There's people that do that just because they get off on it.

Speaker 4: 2:44

Exactly so. You just kind of have something which is like a sort of moral invulnerability or like where you can know even questioning them is you get attacked, because obviously bad people will abuse that.

Speaker 3: 2:58

Well, that's when I got thrown into this whole thing, because there were so, Okay, hang on.

Speaker 1: 3:13

So you still there. You hear that, yeah, yeah. But these two we just heard they both support and Elon Musk even knows somebody growing up who's trans people, and they are both supporting. You know what we do to our body as an adult, Right?

Speaker 4: 3:44

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 3:48

One more thing that Joe Rogan points out is there's some freaks or creeps, people who are not really trans, just use that as an excuse to do something stupid, you know, yeah, so I think this clears out that these two people are not against trans people. It's just they don't want to have people fall into the wrong or not, the real trans people. What's your thoughts?

Speaker 2: 4:22

It's like you got to remember that a lot of politicians will jump on an issue or choose a side strictly because they believe they'll get the most votes on their message. So you got to remember that, among one thing, you know, as far as one part looks like, it's like they said, I don't believe that those two have any problem with trans people like the average person doesn't. But it comes, when it comes down to it, the conversation you always have. People say, well, you gotta pick a side. And I tell people all the time I will pick the side I choose. You are not going to decide that for me.

Speaker 2: 5:06

That's me personally. You know that should be the and mandated procedures to find out, you know, to help this child figure themselves out. You know, in the past, recently and in the far past, we've had too many parents trying to be thoughtful and kind and accepting, go too far, you know, and take their child down a path that they shouldn't have. And then also too many psychologists do the exact same thing because it gets them more people in the door and money in their pocket.

Speaker 2: 6:03

That's really the only reason a lot of those psychologists did that yeah prescribing drugs and it gets more people coming in to see them because they're like oh yeah, I'm all for trans people. Yeah, but are you really helping that person figure out who they are and figure themselves out in their life, or are you really just helping yourself under that guise? Yes, and that's made the whole issue too muddy and damaged. And then, on top of that and I really don't want to point fingers, but I got to say it like a lot of people in the trans community have not been consolidated enough and proactive enough to say, hey, we ain't for all of that. You know they're not. They're trying to be accepting and open to everybody and it's all love. I don't know. You got to define your position as individuals and then figure out a group and do it as a group.

Speaker 1: 7:09

If you don't, you're just going to get used and abused yeah, like I mentioned to you, I have a lot of quote-unquote friends and frenemy on facebook and I just feel it's so strange, because we are here just to be ourselves, right, that's the main thing we're as a community, like football and baseball so, but when we are trying to be ourselves and we get judged, and that's the thing that we don't want other people to judge us, but we are judging each other within.

Speaker 2: 7:47

This is very contradicted. Yeah, judging people, though, is an innate thing for all humans. We're never going to be able to get away from it, because it's part of your survival ability. So people are going to always be judging other people for a myriad of reasons.

Speaker 1: 8:10

But they all stand behind.

Speaker 2: 8:12

Can I trust this person? How much person? How much you know? But at the same time, when you start bringing issues into that that don't, that aren't related, you're now you make it much, much more difficult. Something as something to deal with, you know, as a issue, is an issue to even be discussed. There's a lot of people who believe things that are just wrong. What they believe in. You can't change that. What you can do is prevent people from making decisions based on that.

Speaker 1: 8:48

Yeah, I agree with you in the beginning. We should have a freedom of speech at first, freedom of opinions, freedom of thinking. Yeah, but we also got to remember freedom of speech a lot of people who might be in front of me. They just have one set of thinking and they don't want you or me to have a different alternative or a second thoughts.

Speaker 2: 9:14

Opinions it's easy. It's an easier life if you don't have to think about the stuff that's important. You don't have to defend it or rationalize it. It's easy. Like I said, people take politics and religion the exact same way they do their favorite sports team. One's okay, because it's just a sport.

Speaker 2: 9:41

One's not, because it's going to affect a lot of people's lives, and you can say what you want, but there's been millions, not millions, but there's been hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of tragedies repeated time and time again throughout human history by adopting those practices, and we continue to do them over and over and over. Why? Because the average person, when you get so many people involved, they ain't got to think about it. They aren't, they're just going to go, go with it. And it's because it doesn't affect them. Yes, they aren't, they're just going to go, go with it. It's because it doesn't affect them.

Speaker 1: 10:22

Yes, I was so excited when I saw this part of the interview I just want to hop on here and share with everybody. Bottom line is never really believe what you saw on TV, traditional media and maybe you know. Try to watch some alternative media and then come to your own conclusion. You know, not so fast right.

Speaker 2: 10:49

I would suggest a lot of people who are really concerned about it should, like you know, like we both know a friend that had an issue with it about the HRT and not being allowed to use it and if my suggestion would be, if you're that concerned about it, talk to your congressman. Reach out to him and talk to him about it. Find out what's really going on. Don't jump on the bandwagon Everybody else is, you know, dragging you down. Talk to your congressman. Jump on the bandwagon Everybody else is, you know, dragging you down. Talk to your congressman. You have the right to talk to him or her or whoever it is. You have the right to contact them and talk to them and be like hey, what's the deal with this? If you're not sure, call their office and find out what their written agenda and position is yeah, just engage them on that, what their written agenda and position is.

Speaker 1: 11:39

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 11:39

Just engage them on that, yeah.

Speaker 1: 11:42

Same with a person. You know, like what you just said, let let somebody finish what they want to express before you jumped into the conclusion. Voila, right, and you know, just like, like Joe Rogan or Elon Musk, people think they don't like trans people, they hate them. But I just showed that video. It's not that as what everybody says. Yeah, all right. So thank you again for having us.

Speaker 2: 12:11

It's all a circus.

Speaker 1: 12:12

Yeah, yeah, so we will continue this topic next time. All right, all right, thank you, bye-bye, all right, thank you, bye-bye, bye, thomas.

Speaker 2: 12:21

See you soon.