Celebrity Showdowns, Gender Dynamics, and the Intersection of Politics and Identity

Can cosmic karma keep celebrity debates from spiraling into chaos? 

This episode of the Trans-parency Podcast promises a whirlwind of laughter, sharp wit, and fiery discourse as we navigate the ever-entertaining world of public figures like Aiden Ross, Joe Rogan, and Nick Fuentes.  Meanwhile, Joe Rogan's unpredictable political endorsements become a subject of comedic analysis, offering listeners a fresh take on his evolving stance towards Donald Trump.

With personal stories and profound insights, we tackle the dynamics of debating contentious figures like Ben Shapiro and the strategic decisions that go into such engagements, emphasizing the power of authenticity in the face of controversy.

FEATURING
Daniel: https://www.instagram.com/ARCANEBRO
Kaylani: https://www.instagram.com/beautybarbiekaylani/
Naima: https://www.instagram.com/hair.soupp/

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Host & Producer: Shane ▶︎ https://www.instagram.com/shaneivannash/
Co-Host: Blossom ▶︎ https://www.instagram.com/blossomcbrown/
Recording Studio: Podcast Place ▶︎ https://www.instagram.com/podcastplace/
Excutive Producer: Shelbe Chang ▶︎ https://www.instagram.com/imshelbe

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Chapters

• 0:00 Celebrity Podcast Drama and Debates
• 12:27 Intersectionality in Media Representation
• 18:30 Political Debates and Performative Civility
• 21:39 Celebrity Podcast Drama and Confrontations
• 33:20 Intersectionality, Politics, and Erasure
• 42:56 Political Conversations and Controversial Figures
• 54:46 Political and Social Commentary on Events
• 1:03:02 Politics and Personal Beliefs Intersection
• 1:16:41 Political and Social Commentary on Events
• 1:21:03 California Secession and Political Skepticism
• 1:26:33 Rooted Misogyny in Society
• 1:30:53 Gender Envy and Misogyny Analysis
• 1:36:24 Understanding Gender and Oppression Dynamics
• 1:40:20 Conversations on Acceptance and Coalition
• 1:49:20 Navigating Politics and Leadership Qualities

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Welcome to the Transparency Podcast. I'm sure you might recognize the sweater, as it did make some history. This is the Transparency.

Speaker 2: 0:08

Podcast Show.

Speaker 1: 0:10

And I've got my amazing as always co-host, blossom C Brown, and some more special guests, as usual, because we only have special guests on the Transparency Podcast. Welcome to the panel Panel. How are you doing? Oh yes, it is oh my gosh. So yes, it is the jubilee. Folks, we're bringing them live with an exclusive, exclusive episode. So cheers around here okay, how are you doing today and how is the weather? What's going?

Speaker 2: 0:47

on. I'm good, the weather's fine. It was a long one down here, but we made it.

Speaker 1: 0:55

Definitely. And Naima, hello, how are you? I know you've been making a lot of trouble, especially with the whole Aiden Ross situation, but how are you doing? Yes, I'm going straight for the T.

Speaker 5: 1:06

We're having good trouble now.

Speaker 1: 1:07

I'm going for the trouble right from the jump. I'm starting from the beginning. How's that situation working out for you? Do you need a big brother situation? Because I'll take them all in for you. I don't care.

Speaker 4: 1:26

Honestly see, I feel like God put me in this body. I really want to beat his ass, but I'm not going to.

Speaker 1: 1:29

I'm going to choose peace.

Speaker 4: 1:30

I'm going to be demure. Also, I heard he got banned from.

Speaker 1: 1:31

Amex and stuff.

Speaker 4: 1:32

I feel like people are kind of like Wait, I didn't know that actually I have this weird thing where, like when people do things to me, they feel an immediate karma from the universe, and so I'm just going to let that take care of that, but I will talk my shit about him that I feel like is my right as an american rightfully so thank you and my good friend how the hell are you?

Speaker 1: 1:55

because it was fun to talk shit on set with you when we were back there and we had that whole ben shapiro moment. So how are you doll?

Speaker 3: 2:01

my personal hero, that is shane and you know this, uh, daniel aka arcane Bro for those on my socials. I'm good, I'm just ready to talk shit and have a key.

Speaker 1: 2:10

Well, speaking of talking shit, who's ready to talk the first shit? Who's got something?

Speaker 2: 2:14

on their mind.

Speaker 1: 2:15

I am sure we've got the election. We've got the whole Joe Rogan situation, we've got Trump.

Speaker 4: 2:25

Wait what Joe.

Speaker 1: 2:26

Rogan rogan situation we've got trump. Wait what, joe rogan? Oh, can we start?

Speaker 4: 2:28

there. I don't know what happened. You don't know the whole joe rogan situation.

Speaker 1: 2:30

What did he do now, or did not do, or did not do? Well, joe rogan first of all. Now, when he endorsed trump. Right now he's backing his endorsement and going well, I don't know now, I don't know if I support him and he's thinking that he's being lied to. Yeah, so it's.

Speaker 1: 2:43

It's almost like I didn't know that he's become alex jones in some way, but at the same time like he's realizing he was used. I don't know that's it's a developing situation, but it's almost comical to see this man go from where he was and everything that happened to him after the bernie bro burned out situation and now seeing him as almost like this right wing political arm now, like how one goes from there to the other. So that was my whole Joe Rogan situation. But there's also other situations, like the tea with Aiden Ross.

Speaker 4: 3:14

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 3:15

There's all of that whole situation. Wait with.

Speaker 4: 3:16

Joe Rogan no, no, no With you and.

Speaker 1: 3:18

Aiden Ross.

Speaker 4: 3:19

Yeah, I was like Joe Rogan and Aiden Ross are fighting.

Speaker 1: 3:21

No, because I saw that on my FYP and I was like why is he even coming for you in any way, shape or form? And also there's the thing with Destiny, which the leak with him, and Nick Fuentes, which I automatically just thought of you, and how funny that was that that happened, because Destiny is even an interesting character. Wait, okay.

Speaker 4: 3:36

There's so much, let's go.

Speaker 1: 3:38

Let's begin at the beginning.

Speaker 4: 3:40

So the thing with Aiden Ross is really weird. So I was not like very big on social media. By very big, I mean I was not on social media before the video with Charlie Kirk, so that was kind of my introduction to all of this which was amazing, right like you called him out.

Speaker 1: 3:55

That shit was funny apparently he doesn't smile in photos now, oh, you know, he also edited out earplugs out of, like his photos, because he was bullied about it, about wearing earplugs at a nfl game, like no, I literally thought of you. I was like, oh my god, it's just karma after karma, after karma, that's what I'm saying that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4: 4:11

Yeah, come for me, you will experience karma. It's going to happen.

Speaker 1: 4:14

It's on its way, like you're like I don't even have to do it. It just I really don't. It just happens in my personal life.

Speaker 4: 4:19

It happens every time. Okay, um, anyway, so I was. I didn't know who aiden ross was. I'm obviously not like big on the manosphere. I don't really think they have much space for me. Yeah, so I he hit me up on instagram and was like do you want to debate nick fuentes? Now I vaguely knew who nick fuentes was I mostly just knew that he was a nazi and my your choice for anybody in the comments that don't know who Nick Fuentes is.

Speaker 4: 4:47

Yeah, and he's the. I didn't know, oh, no, no no. Yeah, yeah, no. So I was like nah, I'm good, I'm super good off smart choice. And then he was like you want $10,000?

Speaker 1: 5:00

And I was like thousand dollars and I was like so he really did try to pay you. That was not like just some like for the show, he was actually like I'm gonna pay you ten thousand dollars.

Speaker 4: 5:07

No, he really he was gonna try. He tried to pay me ten thousand dollars and I said no again. And then he upped it to 20k and I said, okay, maybe because I'm not gonna lie 20k is a lot of money. It's your coin.

Speaker 1: 5:17

Yes, so I started.

Speaker 4: 5:20

If anybody judges you at 20k, I mean you know so now I started making some calls and I'm like okay, let's see if we want to do this, let's see what we want to do. And, honestly, the person who really helped me the most in that situation was Dean.

Speaker 1: 5:31

Oh, wow.

Speaker 4: 5:32

Because Dean had already debated Nick Fuentes.

Speaker 1: 5:35

Oh, okay.

Speaker 4: 5:35

Right and I didn't know anyone else who's debated Nick Fuentes, so I talked to and Dean did it for free because he didn't say no the first time, he just jumped at the bit and Dean was like they doxed his family, they were coming after, like, his relatives, they were doing all that stuff and that was what really made me say no, because it's like originally I was going to do it knowing that there is no debate, like it's just going to be us screaming viral clips, viral clips, and then the end like it's not going to do anything to help the people.

Speaker 4: 6:10

If I was going to do it, it would just be for the money.

Speaker 1: 6:12

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 6:13

And I was low key debating like is this worth the money? But when I knew that it's not just like you're kind of embarrassing yourself and the things that you stand for, but it's also you're endangering the people that you love then I was like no, I can't do this.

Speaker 4: 6:30

Yeah, so I made a video about it. Um, that went like mini viral on tiktok and it was all about nick fuentes, who's actually never really responded to me, to my knowledge. Yeah, I said one sentence about aiden ross. The sentence was I think it's hilarious that aiden ross tried to pay a girl twenty thousand dollars to talk to him and she still said no and he got so twisted about it.

Speaker 1: 6:54

He called you poor afterwards because he's like I was trying to give you money. Yeah, I watched the whole like lie. I was like how are you going to sit here and say you're trying to give opportunities to this person and then turn around and just spit in their face at the same time because they didn't say yes to the opportunity? It wasn't that great of an opportunity. Like you said, it would have harmed your family.

Speaker 4: 7:12

I mean because we all know this when we go on these.

Speaker 1: 7:15

Jubilee things. We get hate comments right away. We get all of that stuff that we have to deal with and there's a lot more factors that we have to think about when we go on these platforms dealing with these conservative people and once you have a platform, you do have to think, like in a greater sense, like what is my voice doing, like what is the goal with everything that I do?

Speaker 4: 7:32

and I feel like the goal with that was just to clip farm and it wasn't, like my goal is not to make this country a worse place, and I did not think that that was going to be helpful and I think that his fans were just looking for someone to hate and I didn't want, like I don't think it would have reached the audiences that I want to reach yeah I don't think I would have gotten to say things that I want to say.

Speaker 3: 7:53

I think it would have just been entertainment for them, and that's not yeah, it's giving very much, like you know, when a guy I guess anybody's capable of this. But when this guy is, like you know, trying to talk to a girl, like you know, hollering at her, and she's like, no, I'm not interested, you're this anyway.

Speaker 1: 8:06

It's literally that Well, you're approached Same energy.

Speaker 5: 8:09

Sounds like trans women. We go through that all the time when we reject someone.

Speaker 2: 8:14

It's always oh, you're still a dude. Well, you still try to talk to me. You're still liking my photos, but your wife doesn't know. She said it.

Speaker 3: 8:33

She said it, but it's true. But it's true, though it's true, 100% true, you know.

Speaker 1: 8:39

Yeah, that was a long sound. We don't still know the buttons.

Speaker 5: 8:43

Oh my gosh. A long sound. Okay, captain America, it's getting loud on the Transparency Podcast show. We don't still know the buttons. Oh my gosh. We always do this. Make sure you hit the subscribe button down below so that way you'll know when we post new videos. Like so. We always do that every episode.

Speaker 1: 8:57

Make sure that you don't forget to promote us on everything Talking my of everything talking, my bad.

Speaker 5: 9:03

We just got really excited, though it just hit me when I pushed that button.

Speaker 3: 9:06

I'm going to ban you guys from the buttons.

Speaker 4: 9:09

I just was not surprised by Aiden Ross's response, because the thing you were saying about men being rejected and getting I've experienced that so many times. I've had so many men who I'll reject them and they'll call me the N-word, they'll call me ugly, ugly, it'll get immediately so racist the projection and insecurity I had one guy who threatened to kill himself after I was like I've guys have said some crazy crazy stuff.

Speaker 4: 9:31

So I was just like like, honestly, it wasn't even, like it wasn't even that original, like he didn't even do it as good as I've seen other people do like he. If you're gonna read me like, you should at least like be factually correct. You should at least know how to read yeah, have you ever seen that video of him not knowing how to read which one wait wait, he genuinely doesn't know how to read. He's literally functionally illiterate.

Speaker 1: 9:55

He tried to read the one in five americans are actually functionally illiterate. Now's the time for education. This is an educational moment.

Speaker 4: 10:03

No, go on, I'm sorry no, he's literally stupid and none of the things he said were true. I have me and my boyfriend were laughing our asses off when he was like she gets no dick.

Speaker 1: 10:13

I was like sitting there next to him like you're like that's the crazy thing about this whole like red pill content stuff, because for me, like okay, let's play the masculinity, the toxic thing of like. When I think of like men, right, we think of men that like work and and are in like these, like muddy kind of hard, like jobs, lifting things and doing all these things, paying bills and not staying home so that their wife can stay home. None of those things are happening with this red pill content. Like none of these guys even know how to change a tire. None of these guys know how to build a house. I mean, these are things that I actually grew up. I know how to change a tire, I can do all of those checkbox masculinity things.

Speaker 1: 10:59

And meanwhile I mean, like you said earlier, with the comments and stuff that you receive, I've been receiving the hate comments too of just like, oh, you still a woman, which to me is extra funny because as I grew up as a kid, I'm a, I'm a big bitch, let's be real Like I'm tall and I grew up with that's a man, that's a man, that's a man, that's a man as a child. So then this whole flip like through, especially now that I have like a following and I'm getting constant hate comments. I'm looking at it and it's almost healed me in some way by having it come at me so much that I look at it. It's like hate is just hate, like they're just hating me just because of my existence in itself, because, whether I operated this way or that way, either way, I'm not fitting into your Eurocentric standards of what a woman should be or what a man should be, and I'm not living up to this.

Speaker 1: 11:47

Meanwhile, at the same time, the hypocrisy of it is always like I can change the tire, I can build a house, I could do all the things that men can do, and it's these weird things that are happening in red pill content that I'm like. You guys aren't even getting laid, you're creating incels, like, like, so sad because they're marketing it too, as like you're not getting laid like, isn't that what the whole thing, you guys?

Speaker 4: 12:06

yeah, they're indoctrinated into this and the concept of like this is self-help, but it's actually making them so much worse off than they would have been if they just did what every other man does, which is struggle for a minute and then figure a shit out like that's it and you know, the funny thing is, I tell people all the time, like you say, that trans women aren't women.

Speaker 2: 12:27

But little do you know. Look, if I'm with you, I'm cooking, I'm cleaning, but I'm still going to work. I'm still doing all these things for you. I'm still taking care of you like you wish your woman would that's true I'm doing the most yikes. I'm respecting you are respecting your time, your energy, everything that you do. But when you tell me I'm not a woman, but you're expecting this woman over here to do everything for you, but she tells you I'm not doing that, yeah, I don't cook, I door dash, fuck that shit.

Speaker 5: 13:02

It's almost like they don't see us as worthy enough to be romantically loved out loud, and that's what's always confused me.

Speaker 5: 13:13

I'm not going to even lie to you, and it's just as a trans woman, especially being a black trans- woman it is so, so challenging having to deal with the anti-blackness and having to deal with so much trauma that has been generationally put on us. And I think for me personally, a lot of it showed up in my romantic partnerships. You know what I mean, like my disconnect from my mother. So you know it's, it's a lot. It's a lot and I think what you said it was so, so important and it's like well, so, so important and it's like well, I know I'm worthy of love. I know I deserve to be in a beautiful, healthy romantic partnership where I can be loved out loud and not be somebody's side piece. Honey, I don't want to be somebody's coleslaw and mashed potatoes to somebody else's piece of chicken, excuse me what?

Speaker 2: 14:02

yeah, but you know one thing I tell people all the time I do makeup, makeup content, I still do my political side, I still post things about that. But there's also certain things, like with makeup brands, like I'll see brands, they'll post up a thousand and one just androgynous boys, but she won't post probably one or two trans women like you expect us to come out for you on pride, but where's the pride for us when it's throughout the year, like I can do a beat faster than these people and then I can make it look naturally beautiful, make the person's inner light shine. But then you pick the other person who did something where they're just like oh, a wing, a line, I'm done, we're good. I'm like pick someone off their talent, not based off of what you think will sell. There's 1,001 white women on a whole page.

Speaker 2: 14:58

I appreciate their content, but give me something more. Give me a full timeline of other people versus just that singular group. Even listen, if someone was complected like Naima, I'd want to see that too. If someone's complected like you, blossom, I would want to see that too. I would want to see stuff like that which makes us feel like we're being seen Just like they have Gl glow um glorilla yes I'd want to see um, some people like her complexion.

Speaker 2: 15:31

I want to see a spectrum, not just one singular color, if you can give me a spectrum of people. And then the thing that they do now is they label us oh, they're so woke, they're woke. It's not called being woke when you respect other people's color, their culture and their base. That's called respect.

Speaker 1: 15:52

And the weaponization of woke just is another tool that supremacy has used to now take the power out of it. Because even now, with this election like something that I was thinking about for a moment there on the red side and the blue side, there was kind of like a class solidarity thing happening, because there was a lot of unions, like during covid, where a lot of people were like, hey, you know what, let's protest, let's not go to work, and two sides were coming together. And now, like what I'm seeing a lot with this political sphere that we're in, it's almost like the working class now is being pitted against each other in a way to fight for scraps. Meanwhile, we've got people that are making billions and billions and billions of dollars. And to your point about how that ties into, like why they're only picking one black trans woman to represent instead of multiple, or even like I experienced this with trans men like we don't even get any visibility at all, like period, like we're not even part of, like we're not even invited to the table, and so I can relate to that in some ways watching.

Speaker 1: 16:53

It's all down to corporate dollars, it's all down to what sells the most, what's the algorithm? And that's why they are picking the white women, that's why they are picking this certain type of look, because that even happens, like for trans men, like trans guys. They show mostly like young, effeminate, uh, androgynous, uh, twinkie, twinkie looking. They don't really show that guys like me even exist, to the point where, after the jubilee thing, people are like, oh my god, I didn't even know trans men came to that size, and it's like there's this lack of visibility that goes on through the intersectionalities of so many different communities and it all comes down to the corporate dollar that we're all having to like deal with that.

Speaker 5: 17:32

And it causes the infighting within so many different communities.

Speaker 1: 17:36

Can we talk about Ben Shapiro? Yes, of course.

Speaker 5: 17:38

I'm fangirling here because I'm the only one on set that was not in that episode, so I'm with four celebrities, so I have to like we gotta talk about this. I'm so sorry, including you my co-host. My co-host is famous. Now y'all but how was it like debating ben shapiro?

Speaker 1: 17:56

let me pass it to somebody.

Speaker 5: 17:57

He's a little bit of a menace yeah, and I'm just really curious to know that's. That's like the one thing I want to know, like what was that like?

Speaker 1: 18:05

because I don't want to take up too much space, but go for it.

Speaker 4: 18:07

Like you guys are going to hate this take.

Speaker 1: 18:09

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 18:10

I just finished doing the video with Charlie Kirk, right? I didn't know who Charlie Kirk was. Obviously I know now.

Speaker 2: 18:15

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 18:25

And I think that I was now had an expectation that that was what it was going to be like on set both times, um, and it was going to be like a very similar energy.

Speaker 2: 18:30

Ben was actually like way nicer than charlie kirk was off camera. Oh gosh, like it was so weird, night and day. He was so sweet and it was like it was really, really off-putting, honestly to me.

Speaker 1: 18:39

I didn't. I see, I have been in spaces where I know exactly what he was doing and I that's why I was not I was even more uncomfortable because what he was doing was he was trying to disarm everybody, yeah, like he was trying to come in there like, oh hey, hey, guys, you know, I'm just a regular guy, I'm just Ben. Meanwhile, it's like you have the most vicious, vile things that you're doing behind the scenes and then trying to create this soft, like like I'm a professional person. Let me button up.

Speaker 4: 19:06

No, it was clearly not genuine, but I would say I definitely preferred it more to, because Charlie Kirk was just really rude.

Speaker 1: 19:15

Like off camera.

Speaker 4: 19:16

And the thing that was weird about that video is it was all college kids. So I think, like me and my friend Mason were like maybe the two of the oldest. Like me and my friend Mason were like maybe the two of the oldest I'm 22.

Speaker 4: 19:26

Oh wow, Like there were 18-year-olds there. Yeah, that's intentional and he was so mean to us. So, like you know, as much as I believe that Ben Shapiro is playing a game, it's part of a tactic, it's not genuine. Yeah, I do appreciate the fact that he was able to be nice, because I would much prefer to see people modeling, Because in politics it's ugly. We hate each other Like it's fine, but I would rather see people hate each other with dignity than hate each other with like a really immature animosity, especially in settings like that, you know.

Speaker 3: 20:04

What's his name? Charlie Kirk came across as Sardicadroff. He came across as very much like condescending.

Speaker 1: 20:09

And I don't know. He was an asshole on set. Well, I mean the way that they write with the hero situation debate the hero. I'm sure that inflates the ego when they're walking on set.

Speaker 4: 20:26

I don't think already like now pumped up on high cheese too, henry that big and yes, and his teeth, yes we're.

Speaker 3: 20:32

So girl porn kernels it's always the people who are. And here I want to say this too. I'm sorry, I want to say this because my whole thing about donald trump, because like we're going to go there but like we're going everywhere, my whole thing is like, if you are an attractive person, typically in like not even america in the world, you tend to get away with shit, because that's just how we treat pretty people.

Speaker 4: 20:45

I don't know how these ugly niggas are getting away with shit.

Speaker 3: 20:47

That's my point, sister. Thank you. I am like screaming. How are you able to you freaks of nature, how are you able to get away with this?

Speaker 4: 20:54

You're dumb. Your voice is annoying. You're ugly, like you're irritating.

Speaker 3: 20:59

You're bad wigs and bad makeup bmw body made wrong, like I can't like why are we not bullying them?

Speaker 4: 21:07

what?

Speaker 1: 21:10

make listen, if we are going to get bullied and to that point and this is one thing that does kind of piss me off a little bit about the democratic party they're not playing by the rules anymore. There's so many people that had sent me messages of like oh, you should have done it this way. First, first of all, I already knew Ben was not going to be anywhere near having a debate and, second of all, the way that the room was sat by the time that I got up there, there was already so much going on in the room that I was like you know what? Fuck it? Flip the table, because this is bullshit. What's even happening? And then, third of all, at the situation as a whole, like you have to bully them at this point, like there's nothing you can do, like we always want to.

Speaker 3: 21:49

They go low, we go high no, no, no no, no, no, I'm going to hell, period, I mean don't go to hell, but like don't kill anybody but like I will say this as someone who actually did not go up there and debate Ben Shapiro, because I'm a very confrontational person that I like to fight, especially where I'm from Chicago. It's just like you know, it's rooted in me, right, and it was funny watching him. I was watching everyone around us, like let me just see how this goes before I jump into the ring, cause I like to fight, but I want to know who my opponent is.

Speaker 3: 22:20

For anybody who didn't speak to get a chance to talk, it was me and another gentleman I don't remember his name, but he wanted to bring up January 6th topics. I wanted to talk about my people. So I was like you know what, I can get up there and read Ben, or like have a viral moment, or I could like let someone go up there who was like have actually well-informed opinions about whatever their subject is, so can read him whatever, I can read him by myself, you know. So I, I I just didn't want to like give him that. You know what I mean. I want to give ben any of that. I was like these kids got it because I'm older than all y'all, so I'm like they got it I do like that this video, the second video, was not just oh my god my hero the clips someone drew me.

Speaker 1: 23:37

I was like what is happening?

Speaker 4: 23:39

oh my god, no no, I love the drawing because, okay, when the artist got to the charlie kirk video, have you seen those? Oh my god, I okay for a. I'm not gonna lie, I'm such a narcissist. I watch all the edits. I watch all the edits of me make sure I make more edits. She watches all of them, if you if you make an edit of me, I will watch. Tag her, I will watch the edit. I'll probably repost it.

Speaker 4: 24:02

I love edits of me kind of the same yeah it's funny, but I these artists started drawing me and charlie in the and I'm not going to lie, I made them my lock screen. I had a little lock screen collage of me as a drawing.

Speaker 5: 24:20

So you know what I'm going to say, you know where I'm about to go with this Do I Do, I yes, yes, okay. You know? Oh, my God, blossom. No, I have to say this, and this is a very opinionated show, by the way. So everything we say here is our opinion. That's fair. You remind me of this conservative genzier who I demolished in a debate named amala ekbunambi.

Speaker 5: 24:48

Honey, the comments are about to light up right now. Oh my god. Amala ekbunambi was someone that I destroyed in a debate. In my humble opinion, she, she's going to watch it and she'll be like oh got to make an edit. All right. Have you ever been compared to Amla Ekbunambi so?

Speaker 4: 25:01

I didn't know who this bitch was until she made a video about me. Damn, because she's just obsessed with me. No, and she compared us in the video and honestly, I us in the video and honestly I was so freaking pissed. Amala, you could never. You could never. Don't compare yourself to me. We're not sisters, we're not friends. I don't fuck with you. You are an Aunt Jemima ass bitch. Fuck you, bro. And if you want to keep talking about me, you should come and talk to me. I would love to debate with you. I think that would be such a cute kiki. Okay, pookie, but I was so done with her.

Speaker 2: 25:40

I hate that girl, she's a grifter First. Of all.

Speaker 4: 25:44

She used to be a Democrat. She switched over for the money. I know people call me broke. That's the brokishness.

Speaker 1: 25:51

Uh-oh that is not my girl. Isn't this the one where you made Buck Angel cry?

Speaker 5: 25:56

Yeah, but Buck Angel had no tears. I kid you not, buck Angel had no tears. So here's my side of the story With this particular episode. Originally, amala had asked me if I would debate other trans women on there conservative trans women. I was like sure, we just did the episode. So literally maybe like a day before she switched it up and brought Buck Angel on there, so I wasn't fully aware that he was on there which is a completely different debate, a completely different thing, and the thing is who is buck?

Speaker 1: 26:23

angel, this conservative trans man, porn ex porn star. Uh, he's a fool.

Speaker 5: 26:29

He's a damn fool, that's a crazy conservative trans man.

Speaker 4: 26:32

Yeah, he was the character.

Speaker 1: 26:34

Also doesn't like to pay his bills. Remember, we have an episode on him because we actually invited his ex-best friend, so he was a character that he was like the only trans man that was in adult entertainment.

Speaker 5: 26:44

He's not the one with the letters, is he? No, he's just a mean. He just has an annoying voice no, okay, but in this particular debate, or whatever.

Speaker 5: 26:53

Buck Angel acted like he was crying, which he was not. There was no tears in his eyes. I felt really gaslit and really ganged upon because I had destroyed her in the first debate, which is the reason why, in my opinion, she's slick asked me to come over to her side. So I understand 100% what you're saying, or whatever like that. In my opinion, I think she's a snake and I think that she cannot uphold her own. So I would watch firsthand and front row. You destroy her in a debate, but the thing is she's a grifter and her fits are whack.

Speaker 4: 27:25

You're basic as fuck.

Speaker 5: 27:26

Yeah, she is. I'll be honest with you, she quite is, because you know she's gone back and forth whether she's, you know she's gone back and forth, whether she's. You know she's gone back and forth saying, oh, in our episode I think she was saying something about, oh, I'm biracial, and then in that particular episode, I'm a black woman. It's like, well, make up your mind, because you criticize and you look down upon other people who've expressed who they are and their identity. So, sis, make up your mind. But it was so funny because I told Shane when you were coming. She reminds me so much of her, but I think she's a beautiful spirit, a beautiful soul. I loved your energy in that video. I thought that you were fantastic. I thought all of y'all were fantastic. I love the way you were running in that video.

Speaker 2: 28:09

You were running to that chair and I just want to know what was going on in your mind when you, when you were doing that, like what was going on to be honest, when I got to the chair I sat with um Ben Shapiro and then I'm talking to him and I'm like, yeah, I already know about all this DEI stuff. You guys say we're culturally lazy, you're not from our. I told him you're not from our, you're not from the culture. If you're not from that culture, you cannot say that culture is lazy.

Speaker 2: 28:40

You don't know what we've been taught in the black community? Yeah, we've been taught. We had to work 10 times as harder as the next person beside us. That's just how we are. Ran we not? We're not visible to a lot of people because of our color. Our color hits the door before we do our names at the door. Before we do so, we have to be 10 times as excelled and accomplished as the next person. So when they raised their flags, I was all like dang, like you guys ain't gonna finish my point. And even with uh, when everybody was like oh, when ben said, oh, I'm from burbank I laughed, I audibly laughed, I I said Burbank.

Speaker 1: 29:15

I knew he was from Burbank Because rich kids have lived in Burbank, Because I've grown up here and I know Burbank was like oh, you got money, Like you don't have a lot of money. It's not Beverly Hills, but it's like you got a little bit of money.

Speaker 4: 29:26

You have no street cred.

Speaker 3: 29:36

You have as have no street cred. That's not. They said burbank.

Speaker 4: 29:38

I was all like dude, you're literally in an affluent neighborhood, warner brothers, they pull your address right now you're first in line, you're you're not even straight out of burbank like shut the fuck up yeah, when I saw that part I was like like, what is going on?

Speaker 2: 29:50

like when someone's from running south Long Beach anywhere. Compton we're pulled last, we're told that we don't excel as hard as the next person and even though Venus and Serena from Compton, they do their excellence, you have Snoop Dogg. He comes back to the community and still gives them Long Beach.

Speaker 4: 30:11

Kendrick Lamar, kendrick, yeah.

Speaker 2: 30:13

You have a lot of affluent black people who are very accomplished and educated, but they're still coming back to the community to help out Nipsey Hussle too, exactly. But they're still told that we still don't make a big impact as the next person. So even when I was debating them, I was all like everybody was like, oh, talk about where he's from. I'm like I didn't talk about where he's from. Someone else laughed at him. Where he's from. I said from Burbank. Like are you serious? That's something that doesn't even compare. That's not a comparison.

Speaker 5: 30:42

Yeah, no, and when I saw that part I was just like what the hell is going on. And one thing I noticed in the video, especially like with you, it was like trans people, we always have to push harder to be able to get our talking points across. Because you know you were saying something that was really important to our community and I love what you said because I know you personally and I knew it was coming from like a place of um, of heart and soul, and I'm so glad that you did that.

Speaker 1: 31:08

And I was also just kind of sad too, because it's like I knew it took so much for him to say that, and at the end of the interview with ben shapiro, he talked about you and he was talking about how he thought you were so emotionally driven and even though I was, just whatever you see, and that's the thing that I did purposefully I did that extremely intentionally is that I used his exact techniques, like you can pull up a video of charlie kirk right now yelling at the guy from tyt on stage. There's so many outbursts that their side have and I was just basically being a mirror to their actions in that space and the way that now it it's been like mutated with this, like oh well, you're trans. That's how women are emotional and all these things to me it's funny.

Speaker 1: 31:52

It's funny because I'm like, uh, what was it is?

Speaker 4: 31:54

Is it?

Speaker 1: 31:55

Matt Walsh? Is that the guy who posted me? The guy with the beard? Yeah, I think that's his name.

Speaker 4: 32:00

I hate him.

Speaker 1: 32:01

He's like I could tell that this was a biological female.

Speaker 5: 32:04

Oh yeah, I saw that yeah.

Speaker 1: 32:06

And see, the funny thing is, if I'm using the exact same techniques, then you basically just call Ben Shapiro a bitch. Then you basically just call ben shapiro a bitch. Um, and second of all, the funniest part for me and this is what I love being a white trans man in these really conservative spaces, because the intersectionality of me being twice his size and using the toxic masculine bullshit of like not letting somebody talk, talking over them, that whole thing that was all strategic, like chess on purpose, because I knew exactly how he approaches situations and I wanted to emasculate him in front of people, so he knew what it felt like to be me constantly and my community constantly by the rhetoric that he puts out on all of this internet. You know that we have to literally live by the consequences of it, because right now, blossom and I we're literally like looking at all of this legislative stuff that's going on right now and it's like bathroom bill, bathroom bill, bathroom bill, this bill that care like I can't piss outside.

Speaker 1: 33:04

And here's the other other thing on top of it.

Speaker 1: 33:06

I don't even take hormones like.

Speaker 1: 33:08

This is just me natch, like I took testosterone for about two years, but the the access to it, is not actually as great as people actually want to say that it is, and because of that I didn't want to stay on it permanently.

Speaker 1: 33:21

So I'm living my life naturally this way and I'm still just being hated for who I am in that existence and with a combination of, like abortion rights and trans rights being taken away from me as a trans person, as a trans, there's like this silent I hate to call it because I want to be respectful to Palestine too but it's also like a genocide happening to trans people and specifically trans men too, because trans men like the rights of abortion access and the rights of trans access, that intersectionality there is, like someone like me could basically be erased by not even having access to that. And it's this crazy political spirit because you know you've got people that are like debating my life for sport and making money and grifting off it, like amala, like the blair whites, like the buck, like ben shapiro, like matt walsh, like all these people that are causing all this intersectional harm that really experience no consequences, they just make money on, I hope and they just don't have the intellectual capacity to even have a conversation about it, like or the economy like that's.

Speaker 1: 34:26

The other thing too is like what did they spend? How much money? What was it like? Almost two billion dollars in advertisement through the trump thing against just trans people, when you could have like so? When does the economy matter? When? And it's like this constant dehumanization that we feel and and and. It's like we're being used for this, that and the other, to constantly fight each other and it all comes back down to that corporate creed.

Speaker 4: 34:50

It's also so sad because like trans people are such a like a small minority that have been created into such a massive issue just because they know that it is upsetting and it's a hot button and xenophobic issue and it's like taking your identity and the life that you have to live on a daily basis and using it as a form of entertainment and as a way to get, like extremist rhetoric, pushed more yeah, that's because, literally, they have no policy for homelessness, they have no policy for the economy, they have no policy to make groceries cheaper, they have no policy to help anyone out hey, that's not true.

Speaker 4: 35:32

They have concepts of a plan.

Speaker 1: 35:35

And they just learned about what tariffs are.

Speaker 4: 35:39

It's like they're not president right now.

Speaker 2: 35:42

They have nothing to help people out. So what they do is they take a small piece of a community to say let's put this community face forward for the next couple of years until we can get out and just do all this stuff behind the scenes. And by the time they figure out that we're done, it's already too late.

Speaker 4: 36:05

It's true, they're arguing over 1% of the population, while so many people in the population are suffering due to like-. Economic impact Issues that should be so bipartisan because they know that if they had to fight on those issues they would lose exactly, so they go exactly.

Speaker 1: 36:20

This is a distraction stuff.

Speaker 4: 36:22

It's used as a detraction. Your identity has become a red herring and that's such bullshit.

Speaker 2: 36:27

That's just bullshit yeah, and then the um, I was actually breaking down something for someone's arguing with someone in some comments and I was like okay.

Speaker 4: 36:36

I've tried so hard not to I had to because it was just so stupid.

Speaker 2: 36:40

I was like, okay, let's break this down. So if you deport 30% of your workforce, that means your farmhands, your builders, plus you add on tariffs to products that you take home, like electronics, food, anything imported, like anything, metals, precious metals that go into your materials, because it would take years for us to produce that stuff here. So by the time the Trump administration ends, you wouldn't even have that stuff still. If we take all that and then couple that with the fact that now women are dying in Texas because they have such strict abortion acts and then OBGYNs are leaving Texas, yeah, and then the fact that you guys don't want to fund the schools anymore.

Speaker 2: 37:29

You take all that, so you want to cripple the education system, make people's children stupid.

Speaker 1: 37:35

Exactly, it's their voting base that they're trying to create, because if you, what is the statistics? If you took out the non-college educated whites, the election would have looked completely different.

Speaker 2: 37:48

Exactly so they're making, they're trying to make people dumb?

Speaker 4: 37:51

They don't want to teach them about critical race theory. They don't want to teach them about Because critical race theory would make people more smart.

Speaker 2: 37:59

They don't want to tell them the truth.

Speaker 1: 38:00

So imagine well, because grandma was actually throwing the rocks back in the day. They don't want to get caught with the photo like that's not real, like the generation. It's only been like 60 years since all of this has happened, so there are people that are alive today.

Speaker 4: 38:12

Burned a cross on my grandmother's lawn when she was 11 years old and she's like very alive Arthritic, but alive I was born in a town that was only 15 minutes away from the area where they found Emmett Till's body in Mississippi.

Speaker 5: 38:26

So, like you know, we're only one or two generations removed from all of that.

Speaker 4: 38:31

But that's why they put the photos in black and white. That's why they don't want to teach it in school. It happened a very long time ago. None of that stuff is still here.

Speaker 2: 38:39

But I tell people, imagine if Germany hadn't learned from their past. You cannot get to your future without tackling your past. Yes, in the past America was very racist. Right now you have people who are very racist because they haven't learned anything from it. You're not teaching them to learn from it. You're trying to cover it up and say it never happened. But I'm sorry, the survivors are here, they know better. And then, on the top of the on what I was arguing, in the comments too, I was like you, take all that 30% of your workforce plus tariffs, you're not going to be able to afford a lot of things. Your housing is going to be in the gutter and then all the stuff you thought you voted for. Like you said, trump's going to end the war. What war is this man going to end? I'm sorry, that's generational of palestine and israel for a long generations which has already been accelerated.

Speaker 3: 39:32

Yeah, yeah it sounds like erasured more. I'm hearing, you know, hearing it sounds like pure erasure because, like, if you take something out or someone out of something, you don't have to include them in, right? So it's so because I'm thinking as a, as a gay, black, cisgendered male. I'm you know, I'm listening to all. I'm like, okay, because I have a different. I have the same dog in a fight because, you know, but I have a different fight, different fight, because I'm like I look at things a little bit differently. But I'm like it sounds like erasure. I'm like that's what it is. If you say, oh, you're not a person and you're not this, then it's carte blanche to say that. Then there are others, they're over here, they're not part of us. I mean, I think the problem is they think that they are rich and white and untouchable.

Speaker 2: 40:20

Well, because they want to be correct.

Speaker 4: 40:21

Yes, you have an opportunity to join us as the rich white untouchables. All you have to do is be our pawns.

Speaker 5: 40:28

But they don't give a fuck about you.

Speaker 4: 40:29

It's so scary because there are latinos that voted for trump you know, without realizing, that their own families are going to be deported, potentially because they told them that it was criminals only.

Speaker 1: 40:39

And now they're finding out what natural born citizen like. They're understanding it as it's happening in real time.

Speaker 4: 40:44

The same thing with tariffs they had no clue what you know what, Honestly, I feel like OK, the tariff thing is one thing. I understand, like not understanding international trade laws, but I don't think that trump has been very secretive about how he feels about immigrants. Yes, and all you really have to do is like open twitter or open instagram to get a basic idea of his rhetoric on immigrants. And if you still couldn't figure that out like that's oh my gosh, no more x, no more x I think it was just about blue sky right, I was thinking I felt like a lot of it

Speaker 5: 41:20

I refuse to call that I think it had a lot to do with the economy, because you know people coming over to this country and trying to make a better life for themselves and for me, latinos. For trump sounds like an oxymoron for me, but then I also. You know, if that's one group of people, I'm pissed at white women. I'm also pissed at trans people who talked so much stuff about Palestine as they should have, but then talked about withdrawing or withholding their vote for Kamala and criticizing her for things that I don't think she 100% could control, because the reality of it is we're on a two-party system and all we have is Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. Now I have said on this podcast before in one of our previous episodes you can have your criticism of Kamala, I don't care.

Speaker 5: 42:08

But, go show up and vote. Please go vote, because at least with Kamala and the whole situation around palestine, that could be worked on. But if you were somebody that criticized her and then you did not go to the polls and vote and then you told your fan base to not go vote, I want to sincerely give you a big f. You do you think donald trump is going to help the palestinian people? Laughable, that is a joke and unfortunately there are some trans people in this community who deserve a trump president absolutely there's.

Speaker 3: 42:42

There's gays, there are latinos, there are trans, there are blacks, there are women who deserve this fucking fool.

Speaker 1: 42:47

Like it's, I was watching something with my, I just hate that we have to be there to learn this and with them, because I've already learned enough in this life I you know like I just wanted to chill. And people are talking about 4B, 4B.

Speaker 4: 42:59

Why didn't we do that before the election?

Speaker 3: 43:02

Wait, say what the 4B movement so the 4B movement is-. It started in Korea, right.

Speaker 4: 43:07

Yeah, and it's the four no's. It's no sex with men, no dating men.

Speaker 2: 43:12

Oh yeah, I heard about that.

Speaker 4: 43:12

No with men, no dating men no marriage to men, no, having kids with men. First of all, y'all saw my boyfriend. That's not happening. It's not happening.

Speaker 1: 43:19

Also trans men exist. No, I'm just saying, Shout out to the other trans men that need a wingman. Out there, trans guys, I got you.

Speaker 4: 43:28

My man voted for Kamala, so I don't see why we gotta do that.

Speaker 2: 43:32

If they voted for Kamala baby, you'd get some pussy all day. That's what.

Speaker 1: 43:35

I'm saying Baby, you can't get that, that's the new advertisement.

Speaker 2: 43:38

I'm looking.

Speaker 1: 43:38

I want your vote. Show me your voter registration beforehand. Okay, but the real tea, though, is I need an STD and a voter registration. We're good.

Speaker 4: 43:49

But I feel like the tea is that they didn't vote for Kamala.

Speaker 5: 43:55

They probably weren't getting it anyway. Yeah, but then you know, let's be fair.

Speaker 5: 43:58

Kamala only had two months to put something together because joe biden, yes, pulled out when he did, and I always feel that her, as a black woman, well, black women in general and and you know her being southeast asian as well too yes, it was a setup as well too, but black women have it so much harder and it was so unfair that she was given so much little time to be able to make change. Now I'm a firm believer. Now I me personally. I'm very disappointed in the biden administration for many different reasons.

Speaker 5: 44:25

A lot of that was around trans issues. Now I don't know what kamala harris's administration was going to give us. We won't know now until the next time she runs. She's actually my birthday twin. We have the same birthday and my dad has the same birthday as President Obama and my mom has the same birthday as Marsha P Johnson.

Speaker 3: 44:41

Oh, come on, it's in you. You know, I've come from that family.

Speaker 4: 44:43

I was born on the day Joan of Arc was born.

Speaker 2: 44:46

Holy shit.

Speaker 1: 44:52

So you know, I don't know that actually that's right.

Speaker 5: 44:54

I know she's with a nice skin, but I will say this though I was in Europe two weeks ago and I also want to make room and make space for, you know, learning and growing too, because people have pulled me to the side about some of my posts that I've made about, like, my community and I love my community to death and I appreciate those sidebar conversations because I learned a lot more of why Joe Biden didn't want to call a ceasefire and I appreciate my trans siblings for educating me more on that. Like I'm not a part of this whole. What is it blue MAGA? Like it's so layered, I'm sorry. What?

Speaker 5: 45:29

the hell is nuanced and it's hard to get down to oh, there's more, yes, yeah. I just thought it was like weird. But you know, for that I appreciate everybody who's kind of like, informed me and educate me, and I understand the trans people that were frustrated with Kamala and you know what I'm saying. Like it is what it is, but this is. We're being put in a political chokehold that we cannot control. The only thing we can do is with our votes.

Speaker 2: 45:58

I don't think they should even put her up in the front row. I think the thing is, the thing that trans people have to worry about right now is, if you voted for Trump, you voted against at least having a voice, because now you're not even at the table. You're so silenced that you're just mute and they actually. There's a video I just seen today on instagram. I think perez hilton had posted. Uh, prez had um posted it today. It was a trans gays. All that just talking about. They're conservative and this is why they're conservative. I'm like you guys are conservative, but you're conservative with the idea that you have a voice in that space.

Speaker 1: 46:43

I feel like a lot of the times it's rooted in racism, though, when it comes to that, like within our community, like let's be real, I see a lot of trans people that kind of get into this pocket of like I'm trans, I can't be racist.

Speaker 5: 46:54

It's like girl well, they support the blair whites and the buck angels and the even the dolls and all the things or whatever. But it's so funny because in my opinion, you know, blair white is so in proximity to whiteness that you know, she doesn't in my opinion. In my opinion, they try to look so euro or whatever, but it's like girl, you're people of color and the thing is white supremacy is going to ditch you.

Speaker 4: 47:20

And the Amalas, and the Amalas and the Clarence Thomas's and the. What's his name? Myron Gaines?

Speaker 3: 47:28

They don't like you. You will never be them. Candace Owens.

Speaker 4: 47:33

Candace Owens, you will never be them.

Speaker 1: 47:35

Candace Owens. Candace Owens, you will never be them. She's not allowed in Sweden or something right. You will never. Australia and New.

Speaker 2: 47:39

Zealand. They banned her. They said they didn't want her there.

Speaker 5: 47:41

Yeah, they made an example out of Candace and it was really important to see that.

Speaker 4: 47:48

Then on top of that, she's a darker-skinned woman. On top of that, it's so sad because it's like P losing you.

Speaker 3: 47:51

I'm for the black men out there too, because I'm the only black man here. I want to say this about the black men in particular to like I guess this voting process is like if you see yourself in Donald Trump and you don't see yourself in a black woman, even with South Asian mixed, if you don't see yourself in her, it's sad. It's like my aunties, my sisters, my friends look like. I don't know nobody who looked like Donald Trump. I can't relate to him. Like even if I was like a Republican or whatever the case is, I can't see myself in somebody like him.

Speaker 3: 48:21

I can't see myself being like like, oh yeah, that's the one let me go as a black person, my dog poop something that looked like I think people forget how powerful misogyny really is, though, because that's the thing is like.

Speaker 1: 48:32

I think this election really showed people like hey, misogyny is a real thing, because what that statistic about where people go on a plane and actually prefer a male pilot over a female, like it's like things like that that we're conditioned to as a society, and just thank you for even acknowledging that point, because it is a good point to bring up, because it's been really interesting to see the different communities and who voted for who and why they voted for their particular candidate, because a lot of the people that we know that voted cis white male, that's affluent, and you voted for trump, like. I hate to break it to you, but you're going to be hit in some way, shape or form by this administration rather quickly, either through tariffs rather through laws, whether through etc but everyone's going to get hit with it, even yeah, and respectfully donald trump got convicted of 34 felons.

Speaker 5: 49:23

What needs to happen for rehabilitated?

Speaker 1: 49:26

Yeah, and technically he did the insurrection too, which he's not allowed to run for president. So I don't understand how that works in the constitution, but I guess you know since he has been convicted of 34 felonies.

Speaker 5: 49:37

What needs to happen is, on these job applications, that little question that asks if you're a convicted felon needs to be dropped.

Speaker 1: 49:43

Yeah.

Speaker 5: 49:47

I agree, convicted felon needs to be dropped. Yeah, I agree, and we need to give more of a chance to rehabilitated convicted felons to find work, to find housing and to be able to live in this world, because y'all allow donald trump again, who was convicted to become president of the united states and be dismissed of all of his crimes. That's the one thing that needs to happen within this whole administration.

Speaker 4: 50:08

Speaking of convicted felons his cabinet is insane. It's like pedophile it's like what it's, three it's four pedophiles yeah. I made a list. I've been compiling a list of all the people on his cabinet who have been accused of sexual misconduct. It's like a requirement at this point it's like eight of them at this point. It's crazy. Yeah, like rfk is just a joke, didn't?

Speaker 1: 50:34

it's just a joke. The bear head or whatever the story, he left a dead bear in central park.

Speaker 4: 50:41

He I've been doing, I've been like deep diving, rfk. He works withK. He has these two nonprofit organizations that have been working with African countries and they have been responsible for spreading misinformation about vaccines that were intended to stem the spread of the AIDS virus. Yes, so this man has literally been facilitating the spread of AIDS in Africa.

Speaker 1: 51:13

He's basically you're absolutely right. No, he's coming for PrEP too. He's trying to come for the whole medical industry in a way that is completely like he's not a doctor, he's just throwing.

Speaker 4: 51:25

He says Wi-Fi causes cancer. He said that they're putting chemicals in the water to make people trans. Like he said that vaccines cause autism. He is crazy, he's criminally insane and now he's in charge of human health and it's like you guys, like, even if you are supportive of the policies that Trump has. How could you possibly rationalize these people doing anything?

Speaker 3: 51:54

Is it Tulsi Gabbard? I don't know what to call her.

Speaker 1: 51:57

She's what a Russian asset.

Speaker 4: 51:58

She likes to glaze dictators a lot, a lot. I love that A lot A lot.

Speaker 1: 52:04

I love that. I mean, that's the other thing too about like a lot of this administration and it feels like it's anti-American. And it feels like this Russian psyop, takeover, kgb thing where it's like when I look at the American flag now, like, granted, lots of you know propaganda as a kid, especially as someone with the intersectionality of a white kid growing up in America, like I had a lot of privileges in that space, so I will acknowledge that but I used to look at the American flag and be like, oh my God, like dreams, oh my God, you know, I'm going to try, I'm going to be a small business owner, I'm going to do the X, y and Z, but now, like when I look at the American of the people that have now perpetuated themselves behind that flag and everything that it represents and that was a big again to my point with ben shapiro it's like to me as the person who's basically like dude, why are you fighting for the nazis?

Speaker 4: 52:56

like what's going?

Speaker 1: 52:57

on while he's wearing, like dude, a spiritual religious hat that suffered from nazi persecution. It's like and here's the extra weird thing, I'm german, so it's like what is happening. It feels like the tables have turned. And I'm telling a jewish man why are you fighting for this type of propaganda that is harming people, when like the idea of like? I guess because it's a 90s kid thing and I did fall for the propaganda. But why can't we fall for the propaganda of what america once allegedly was supposed to be about? Like you know, bring everybody in, let's be diverse, let's build this, let's do some technology shit. Let's get flying cars, let's do all of that.

Speaker 4: 53:35

It's turned into this like weird ass, like handmaid's bullshit nick funtas, literally when the debate with ben shapiro came out. This was after the stuff with Aiden Ross and him. I had already like, like, talked a lot about Nick Funtas and how I didn't like him in this video, and when the video with Ben Shapiro dropped the next week, he goes. By the way, he's gay.

Speaker 1: 53:57

right Before I get into this, oh, if I were and I know y'all don't claim him, but like I don't claim him, but also I was getting vibes from ben shapiro wait, wait, wait really and I'm gonna, I'm gonna call it.

Speaker 4: 54:09

I was getting, he has a makeup artist, but like no, no, no, no something about it.

Speaker 1: 54:13

When I was just eye to eye with him I was like that's a gay man.

Speaker 5: 54:16

I don't know why I think he'll pay for the girl because remember he's actually gay.

Speaker 4: 54:20

I think he'll pay for the girl.

Speaker 5: 54:21

Yes, for the girl, yes, I think he is a fan a fan of the dolls?

Speaker 1: 54:25

yes, and I think that he uses this as an outlet and the thing that listen, listen, here's, here's one thing, here's okay, look okay I go to pride every year, like I work heavily with pride, like I'm telling you board of directors, like some of the stuff we set up, blossom and I, we work with the cities, both of them, la and weho right, so we know what goes on in Pride. Grindr has never crashed at Pride. Why did it crash at the RNC? Let's think about that. You and I have been in some of the most major gay events, where it's like the gayest event in the world possible that we are participating in and Grindr didn't crash.

Speaker 2: 55:02

but it crashed at the RNC.

Speaker 1: 55:05

No, it's never crashed there, it's only crashed at the RNC. So it's like there is so much tea there behind a lot of the hate that I feel like it's like this projection shit Because they're really part of the community?

Speaker 4: 55:15

No, but I know Luke Wenzel, so when the video of me and Ben Shapiro dropped do? You know what he commented on Twitter? Tell me if this isn't a gay shit. He me. If this is a vacation. He said she ate that for real. I have never in my life heard a straight man say that ever, not a single time. I'm sorry and I don't want to like. I don't want to like. Put someone's sexuality on them, like whenever he's ready to come out. He's ready to come out, but like out.

Speaker 5: 55:49

He's ready to come out but, like you know, it is clear at this point we could see.

Speaker 4: 55:51

Let me debate caitlyn jenner although I don't think she's gonna debate no, she's yeah, well you know I was on her show.

Speaker 5: 56:00

Like in what season season one of her show yeah I was inK. I guess it wasn't a very good show.

Speaker 4: 56:07

Oh, you didn't know that. Never heard of that one, no.

Speaker 1: 56:09

I don't know. Lost relevancy there, Kate.

Speaker 5: 56:11

She's been listen. She's been talking a lot of noise lately and the thing is I was reading-.

Speaker 1: 56:16

She said she's running for governor right.

Speaker 5: 56:17

Governor of I was reading an article about her today I think she was saying something about the Trump administration was hypocritical because she uses the women's restroom in Mar-a-Lago. Am I saying that, right, mar-a-lago? Yeah, yeah, mar-a-lago. See, that's how much I don't care about it.

Speaker 4: 56:37

She uses the women's restroom. I think that all of these people genuinely think that they can be one of the good ones. Yes, and the tea is there really are no good ones. You can either just be a pawn or an enemy. Yeah, so it's like they're using you, it's not.

Speaker 4: 56:54

They don't have to oppress like walk a flock if they fundamentally do not like see value in you as a person, specifically because of a part of your identity. Why would they make an exception for only you? You're not special, you're not that, just like different.

Speaker 5: 57:09

Like it's not you Remember, Rose is in the Waka.

Speaker 2: 57:11

Flock. You know what? Let me tell you.

Speaker 5: 57:13

I'm going to say this for everybody on the internet.

Speaker 2: 57:15

Anybody want to hear this. Waka Flock, you made your choice, you made your decision. You made your tea. You made your bed lie in it. What did waka flaka do? Wait, you do gotta explain it for the comments. Okay, what happened? So waka flaka decided that he wanted to support donald trump.

Speaker 2: 57:31

You know that he does not like our community, the black community, at all. Not. Let's take out the trans, let's get out the gay. He doesn't support the black community. He does not in the way that you think he does. You may think he does, but he does not. To say out your mouth that you want to give police immunity to police and then not understand that not all police are bad, but there are some bad ones out there, that if you give police immunity, guess what? They're policing the black communities and latin communities harder and they're taking us out faster. But amber rose also. I loved emma rose. I went to all her events.

Speaker 5: 58:10

I actually walk I didn't go to that one. No, yeah, I did all her slut walks I participated.

Speaker 2: 58:15

I was a volunteer on all her slut walks. Ember rose was the sweetest spirit I have ever met. I don't know what happened in these past couple years to hurt her so bad that she had to do this.

Speaker 4: 58:28

What did Amber Rose do? I used to love her.

Speaker 2: 58:30

You didn't see her big old tattoo going on stage and talking.

Speaker 1: 58:35

She's like a white woman now, or something.

Speaker 4: 58:37

Okay, I'm not going to lie. I did not ever really know what race Amber Rose was.

Speaker 2: 58:41

I met her mom.

Speaker 5: 58:42

I met Amber Rose's mom.

Speaker 2: 58:44

I gagged, I was like this thing can fight. I've literally met Amber Rose's mom. Amber Rose's mom is so sweet too. I sat with her mom for a second and talked to her and Amber Rose for me. She was so sweet. I don't know what happened in this time for her to go this route. She's saying and I get that you want to protect your children, and I get that for any person, any parent out there, you're going to protect your children, but this ain't the way to do it.

Speaker 3: 59:09

This was never the way to do it. At whose expense? No, no, no wait. Well, that's what I was saying, too, about, like, about. I was saying I don't see myself in Donald Trump. It's like, even if I have options right, because we only have two options we have more.

Speaker 1: 59:18

Jill Stein is a mess, she's messy Don't even, and so is her running mate.

Speaker 3: 59:26

But so you, so you?

Speaker 4: 59:27

I don't see so if someone's like I have six siblings, right.

Speaker 3: 59:31

I have like five siblings, right, and I tell my siblings like this I'm like, if you're not going to vote, I'm like, let's imagine we're at a restaurant, right, if somebody, that person because we're a team right. So to my siblings, I'm like, even if you don't like either one uh, kamala or or donald trump, pick the person that's gonna that. Pick the person that's gonna fight with me, not not fight me. Donald trump is fighting me. Pick the person even if you don't care about any of this. Pick the person that you can relate to the most at least they can black as well, no, they're, we're, I'm there, they're from wisconsin and they're I mean.

Speaker 3: 1:00:03

you know, I'm conservative. I have some Trumpers in my family. To say I don't would be a fallacy. They'll never tell me because they know better. But I know that. I know that I didn't go home because I can't be around that dry ass. Turkey no way, because I read down to the ground and I can't let. I can't. I'm not the one. You know what I'm saying. People are like it's just politics. No, it's not. It's not just politics, though. It's like daily life. You're not going to sit in my face and vote for Donald Trump. You're not going to do it. If you have voted for Donald Trump and I don't know about it, that's good, we're good, but if I know about it, I'm under.

Speaker 3: 1:00:35

But you know what I told all my friends who voted for Trump?

Speaker 2: 1:00:46

I said this I'm not going to dis keep y'all because I love y'all, y'all my friends. I know y'all voted out of a simple. This is what y'all voted for. I respect that. I respect that anyone. You have voted for a certain aspect of something that you needed or something that you wanted, but as these years roll around, bitch, I'm gonna call you every day until you fuck you.

Speaker 3: 1:00:58

Every time pop happen see, I'm not gonna say fuck you, I'm just gonna not be around you if you're not. If I'm getting jumped by somebody and you're going to be like, oh, I'm going to take the person's side because you did. You said something crazy. No, no, you come fight with me. There's no, there's no choice for me. There's no choice it for me. It was like donald trump doesn't. He only does things. Even if you are a white man who has his money, he doesn't care about you. He cares about getting your vote or your money. After he's done with you, he's gonna throw you away.

Speaker 4: 1:01:22

Donald Trump is like clinically sociopathic.

Speaker 1: 1:01:24

He even said it out loud, Like I just want your vote.

Speaker 5: 1:01:27

He literally said it. He doesn't have any black people in his cabinet, not a single one. No wait, didn't he just do one yesterday?

Speaker 1: 1:01:33

Yeah, oh, do you know the theory?

Speaker 3: 1:01:36

on that. How the fuck does that?

Speaker 1: 1:01:37

work, so the last time he was here in office all right, people are theorizing that because it says urban housing. That's why Trump always appoints a black person to that position. Oh for sure, because the last time he was in he did the exact same thing. But Ben. Carson.

Speaker 4: 1:01:52

He might as well call it token black job. I'm looking at that. It's Scott Turner, his secretary for Department of Housing and Urban.

Speaker 3: 1:02:01

Oh him.

Speaker 4: 1:02:01

Oh, okay, yes.

Speaker 1: 1:02:02

Yeah, so because urban is in the name.

Speaker 5: 1:02:06

He looks like a Uncle Tom Exactly. Look at that smile, honey, uncle Tom. Look at that smile. Look at that the light-skinned Uncle Ruckus.

Speaker 2: 1:02:15

Oh, stop Not.

Speaker 3: 1:02:18

Ruckus, there was this guy on, I think, on TikTok or something. He was a MAGA. He was like he was a MAGA, he was wearing the MAGA. He had this black guy. He was like, oh, he's like I can't believe they did this to me.

Speaker 2: 1:02:26

I know who you're talking about.

Speaker 3: 1:02:27

He's all like you know they love me, I love my MAGA family. I'm like what do you? Are you?

Speaker 2: 1:02:31

like he said you'll never oh yeah, mama kicked that behind right on out. I even reposted some of his video very investigative on our state.

Speaker 4: 1:02:49

He's our private detective right here, but you know what one gay guy who was like very pro-trump and he's like all my friends are cutting me off. I was like really go figure, I wonder why that's.

Speaker 1: 1:03:02

Another thing, too is like okay, so you're gonna vote for these type of policies. You're gonna say this, that and the, and then turn around and get mad that we don't want to associate with you. That is confusing as hell.

Speaker 4: 1:03:11

It is personal.

Speaker 1: 1:03:12

Thank you.

Speaker 4: 1:03:13

My uterus is personal, but that's why it's so disgusting, because I feel like politics have like the foundation of bodily autonomy is not being respected, so it is personal in a way that politics shouldn't be. Yeah, like politics should not be this personal, because the things that we're debating just should not even be on the table. We should not be talking about basic human rights. And the minute it gets to that level, it gets to a level of personal that now I gotta cut you off and now we can't be homies. Yeah, when, like realistically, it shouldn't be that way. We should be allowed to disagree, because the things that we're disagreeing on are not such basic threats to our survival it should be like an infrastructure bill of, like, how much are we spending on the bridge?

Speaker 4: 1:03:54

I don't know like that is non-personal politics and we can debate that and, when we're done with that conversation, go back to being friends, I think what's happened is to that point because, I understand that because I feel number one.

Speaker 5: 1:04:07

there's Trump supporters here, don't point at me. There's Trump supporters over here.

Speaker 1: 1:04:13

I just don't want to know the clip.

Speaker 5: 1:04:16

All of a sudden it's like Trump supporters over here, you got to be intentional, yeah, so there's Trump supporters here and then there's more of like the Republican Party here, because you know over 200 Republicans were going to vote for Kamala and I think to your point. What's happened is we've pushed past it because we've gotten so deep in detriment with Trump that now, if you support anything that he's done being a convicted felon being accused and convicted of SA rape, all the things trigger warning'all I'm sorry, all those things or whatever you have no morality because at this point, this is not about voting. I understand republicans who are voting, who voted republican because they truly want to see changing the economy, but they hate trump. Don't support all of that. That's's fine.

Speaker 4: 1:05:04

That's what we can agree, yeah, exactly, I can work with that. When it was like Obama, mitt Romney, like I feel like there was so much less, like people were still able to be friends.

Speaker 4: 1:05:13

Conservatives and cordial in the same way that Ben Shapiro kind of could do that Like, and that's kind of why I appreciated the way he was on set, because I missed being able to be professional and cordial, because it has become as political extremism has just gotten so much worse in the last like 20, 30 years, it's become this environment where it's like we're not just arguing about taxes and tariffs and things that the government should be involved in.

Speaker 4: 1:05:39

it's like our kids getting shot in schools. Are people like allowed to commit essay and then hold public office, like what is now? I'm like judging your moral opinions on essay and assault and my uterus and all this other random shit that just has no place in politics. But it's the only way to get people involved in politics in a way, and they want the votes, so they keep pushing these issues that really have no place.

Speaker 2: 1:06:06

I told everybody listen. If you voted for no abortions, okay, well, I hope you and his mistress are very happy together. I hope that baby shows up just in time for you and then when? That baby shows up, don't you say not a word. Oh, no, abortion.

Speaker 1: 1:06:25

I'm so sorry, well, sorry well, simultaneously, they want to take away services for when that kid is born, to actually take care of them, so that it's like stop the cat. Oh, no, no, no let me tell you when that?

Speaker 2: 1:06:37

when that happens, I want every woman who said no abortions to now say no child support. It's's just no one's big, or child support at conception. Oh, child support at conception. Let's keep it so.

Speaker 4: 1:06:50

That's what I wanted in the Ben Shapiro debate, I was so upset because I never got to talk about abortion, which is like my biggest topic.

Speaker 3: 1:06:56

Go ahead.

Speaker 4: 1:06:57

I really that's where I wanted to start the debate, because I feel like with Charlie Kirk it got so caught up in like what is a fetus. It got so caught up in like what is a fetus. But neither of us are scientists. You're not a biologist, I'm not a biologist, you not, nobody's guy. No. I don't know if you could even find the click Like.

Speaker 4: 1:07:17

we both know that we're not about that, so let's actually talk about like practically okay, dog, we can't have abortions. Nobody can have abortion. What about the 12-year-old girl who was essayed by her stepfather? What about any of the 65,000 women who were impregnated by rape this year alone? So now they're supposed to raise this child with a rapist who's in prison currently? Like, who's paying for that child's medical bills? Who's paying for the delivery of that child? If that child is born prematurely, that can be hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills. Who's paying for those?

Speaker 3: 1:07:57

I want to talk. I want to talk about this. I was, um, my best friend shout out to matthew, my best friend and I. We were had a mutual friend of ours and he's a cisgender, straight male and we were watching a television show. There's two things I want to say. He made a comment about his he's like well, if I have a kid, I don't want my daughter to be in the bathroom with the trans person. I was like you know what? I'll tell you something your daughter is more likely to be essayed by you than any trans person I've ever met. Based off the stats, right, your daughter's more likely to be hurt, molested and assaulted by you than any trans person.

Speaker 3: 1:08:26

Number one. Number two we were watching Tori Kelly. There's like these um song association videos on like YouTube where they they say a song or a word and you have to sing a song to relate to that word Was Tori Kelly. You all know Tori Kelly, right, gorgeous talking, and the same person goes to her and he goes oh, is she trans or is she? And you know he didn't say he says is he trans or is she something else? And I was like why are you asking? Like? He's like oh, just because I wanted I'm like you thought that person, that person on tv, was attractive. It doesn't matter what they are. Just why can't you just like you know you were attracted to that person and you, you were with two gay guys and you had to confirm with us that that person on TV was a, was a sister and a woman. To make your ego feel better, do?

Speaker 3: 1:09:07

you know what I'm saying Like to make, to make you feel good because you feel like that person's hot and if they were trans, you'd be like oh no, they're not. They're not hot anymore. It's like, but they were.

Speaker 2: 1:09:15

They were before you found out you know what I'm is the most solid straight man rapper I have ever heard speak. He said I don't get down like I don't have sex with um, trans women or men, but I support them and I respect them. That's how you're supposed to be. You're supposed to respect everybody. You're supposed to be like oh, I support. I don't support them because they're this and that. Like to support everyone, love everybody. They support your music, they support your career and even though, like, even if he I feel like if even he didn't have a career, he was raised right because whatever his mama did or his dad did to make him so secure in himself to be like, hey, they support me, the gay community support me, I'll support them.

Speaker 1: 1:10:06

That's a real one no, I agree with you. That is that, that to me is peak masculinity, because like, if you can turn around and look at a situation and go like it, it doesn't affect me because he's got no energy and no, you know, meat in the game, so to speak. So not to be a pun, but like it doesn't affect his reality.

Speaker 4: 1:10:28

Oh, he's got it.

Speaker 1: 1:10:32

Yeah, but like it truly doesn't. And like again, like yes, I'm trans, but also like I'm still a straight, you know, white man, and I'm not looking at like anybody else's identity that it goes like, oh, that's affecting me, I got my wife and that's all that's concerning me. For me, I'm like, okay, where is that rooted in? That? That's rooted in like you've got probably some closeted thoughts. You've got something going on there that is drawing you to the queer community in some shape or form, because the people that are not queer have no energy for it. Don't know what's going on.

Speaker 4: 1:11:04

Or you just don't get any pussy and you're really mad about that. Like I do, feel like a lot of men are really, really mad about their impromptu.

Speaker 1: 1:11:14

It's because all the trans men are taking it away. That's why.

Speaker 4: 1:11:16

I genuinely I think it's the same. They're mad that they don't have jobs. You're not unemployed.

Speaker 1: 1:11:20

Shane, from the L word to the lesbians. You know what I mean, like you're not because trans men are taking your women.

Speaker 4: 1:11:26

You're not unemployed because fucking immigrants are taking your jobs. You are a loser and nobody likes you like. That's the issue and it's weird because the same red pill culture is like coddling their insult, shit that's the thing because there's so many insecurities and instead of facing those because it is so hard to face your insecurities and to realize that there's an issue internally they just externalize that onto women, everybody and trans people and lgbtq and immigrants and anyone who's not white, like yeah it's scapegoating in of the highest order yeah and it's so sad because so many of these podcasters and blah, blah blahs and aiden ross's and joe rogan's of the world could really actually be role models for young men 100

Speaker 1: 1:12:09

and could actually tie their shoes because I do feel for them like it is hard.

Speaker 4: 1:12:13

Life is hard. A lot of men are dealing with mental health issues that they don't have an outlet, for they don't have the sense of community that women and the lgbtq have exactly, and they need that, but they're using xenophobia and hatred to create that community instead of internal love and working on yourself.

Speaker 5: 1:12:33

Because that supports them and we've had this conversation so many times, Like as a black trans woman who's more liberal. The conservatives will support the trans conservative more than the liberals will support me. It's like we do support.

Speaker 1: 1:12:49

Yeah, when the video they're ready to criticize you for this, that and the other, the same way that kamala was. Think about the kamala and trump thing. Trump was allowed to do whatever the fuck trump wanted to do. Kamala made, granted, a lot of mistakes and even some stuff that we found on the podcast that her fucking team just admitted to. We'll talk about that too, but it's like that same, like it's not an equal playing field and it's purposefully not an equal playing.

Speaker 4: 1:13:14

It's not, and they really do. The cost of admission is so much lower for them. You just have to be willing to kind of neglect your morals and enable like really vicious behavior, and if you're able to do that you can have a sense of community which for a lot of people, is just more valuable than strangers they don't know.

Speaker 2: 1:13:35

Oh, the funny thing is I was actually watching this video and maybe you can help me as a black man. So I watched this video and they went to a barbershop and these black dudes were talking about. Kamala didn't stand on business, shadi wasn't about nothing. I'm like this woman stood on so much business to give you equity in the community that did not want to give you that equity. Now you have a man who does not want to give you equity alone. He wants to add more debt to you.

Speaker 2: 1:14:06

So where was the stand on business for him? You're putting so much pressure on this woman to stand on business. So much, so much, so much. But the qualifications for this man are in hell and you just don't care, like you didn't even look him in the eye and say, well, he didn't stand on anything, but I still voted for him. You can at least say that, say I like, say this was a woman, I didn't even care, I just voted for him because he a man and it sounded like he was doing something good. Or my funny, my funniest thing was I hear from so many black people he gave us stimulus checks, so I'm gonna go for him, even though it actually came from Obama's fucking bankroll.

Speaker 1: 1:14:47

Most people don't even know how the government actually works. He just put his signature on it too. That whole thing. When it was coming out he was fighting against the secretary because it was supposed to have their signature on it. He's like no, I want mine on it. So I get the credit for it, even though the's how it was in the coffers for us to even pull from was because of the economy that he inherited from Obama.

Speaker 4: 1:15:10

Yeah, he inherited such a beautiful economy from Obama and basically pissed its shit, just like he did with his business, six times.

Speaker 5: 1:15:18

But Republicans tend to do that anyway, and then Democrats come back in the next four years or eight years.

Speaker 4: 1:15:24

But that's what I like with the conversations about abortion and with the trans rights and even with the border wall, like trump spent 15 billion dollars to build 80 miles of new wall that they can just hop right over like 80 miles also, guys, it's a wall like the fuck. It's a wall like this is not high tech.

Speaker 3: 1:15:42

I wanted, I wanted to say I wanted to go. This should help me out, guys, during the summer olympics in paris there was a boxer, a woman box, name kalibi uh amani, khalif yes yes to your point about the going back to the black man at the barbershop thing.

Speaker 3: 1:15:55

It's like when that whole thing came up, I remember, I remember very specifically I watched this and I was like they were like, oh, a man is fighting a woman and I was like, okay, whatever right, so, whatever Right. So I'm, I'm just I'm watching the story unfold and then it goes to a man fighting a woman, then it turns to a trans person, then it turns to all these things and I'm like, okay, okay, got it. The story went by a week and I just waited a week to you know, man beating a woman. I was like, well, when you finish tweeting, you're going to go beat up your girlfriend, your brother, your sister, your cousin, your uncles, your fathers. They're going to go beat their girlfriends and they are men. So I don't understand how you can go and do the same things that you're claiming someone else who is an actual she is biologically male.

Speaker 1: 1:16:42

Cisgender woman yeah. Cisgender woman yeah, from a Muslim country, by the way. That doesn't even practice.

Speaker 3: 1:16:47

She could have been killed, she would have been murdered. There's so many layers to it.

Speaker 5: 1:16:52

I think she's suing. She is.

Speaker 4: 1:16:53

I think she was suing to make money. She deserves it.

Speaker 5: 1:16:58

I think anyone should sue To what you said, which is so important. Transphobia affects all women. Yep. Wait, okay, really good Literally Speaking of suing just some good news.

Speaker 4: 1:17:08

Have you guys heard about what happened to Rudy Giuliani?

Speaker 1: 1:17:10

No what.

Speaker 5: 1:17:12

Girl, give us a team.

Speaker 4: 1:17:13

It was amazing. Okay, we don't know yet. So I'm from New York, new Jersey. I've known who Rudy Giuliani is my entire life. I grew up in a family that hated that nigga, so Rudy Giul hated that nigga, so rudy giuliani. So obviously he was trump's lawyer for a while into it and he was making all these claims about election fraud in georgia.

Speaker 4: 1:17:34

Specifically these two I think they're both black women poll um workers yeah poll workers were fraudulent, doing fraudulent things with the votes, all this stuff, the election stolen, blah blah. These two women have ended up suing him for defamation.

Speaker 1: 1:17:51

Oh, Alex Schoen situation.

Speaker 4: 1:17:53

And they won.

Speaker 1: 1:17:54

Oh.

Speaker 4: 1:17:55

And he owes them like. I forget how many hundreds of millions of dollars he owes them, but however much money it is 140 million yes, Okay, he can't pay it. He can't pay it, he can't pay it. So they're just snatching all his shit. He lost his apartment, his car.

Speaker 1: 1:18:09

He's in collections, I believe His temper.

Speaker 4: 1:18:11

Yes, they're snatching all of his shit and he's been in court. He has a new. His first lawyer dropped him. He has a new lawyer now.

Speaker 1: 1:18:26

He's been just screaming at the judges just losing his mind.

Speaker 4: 1:18:28

He got chewed up and spit out by trump. Yes, yes, he did, and that's just like what his cabinet's gonna happen.

Speaker 1: 1:18:31

Just like all of these people and just like mike pence just like all of these people, all these people, they never learn this man what did?

Speaker 2: 1:18:40

he do to his cabinet the last time. Well, they're doing it on purpose. And then what's gonna happen? After all, they've done all this crap to the country for four years. The Republicans need to watch out Because after these four years of all these things happening, every person, every state is going to eat them alive if they do not get in front of this and control it. That is the hard fact right here of this and control it. That is the hard fact right here. If republicans took this four years and actually did something good with it, that'd be a really big thing for them and we're rooting for you.

Speaker 4: 1:19:14

I hope you do.

Speaker 5: 1:19:15

I don't want to live in a horrible country, yeah I think, with greed and power, they don't want to let that go no, no and I I feel communities like the trans community, women, immigrants we're very powerful communities and I feel that when you are a place I'm sorry I feel that when you are in a place of power and you feel threatened by groups like this, you're going to do what it takes to keep what you have, because you have a scarcity mindset and I don't know if Republicans is particularly trumpers, because this is a whole different topic type of thing. This is not like george bush or something like that.

Speaker 5: 1:19:51

This is donald trump yeah and the reality of it is we're going to be in war coming up real soon and you know I'm an astrologer and I can tell you a lot of things that's happened astrologically. This is just my opinion. I do think there's going to be more attempts on Donald Trump's life. I do think that it's going to be a race war and I think that this country needs to prepare for it.

Speaker 4: 1:20:13

What the hell, am I supposed to do with my little light-skinned ass?

Speaker 3: 1:20:16

No, Get ready.

Speaker 5: 1:20:18

You better start, but I also see a lot of communities like the immigrant community, the trans community, so many different communities that a lot of us intersect with stepping into their power. I see that as well too. I'm a firm believer. We survived four years of Trump already, so it's not like we can't do it again. It's just that this time a lot of us are exhausted. We survived four years of.

Speaker 4: 1:20:41

Trump, though, and 400 years of slavery and however many years of income, we are tired. It's been enough.

Speaker 5: 1:20:47

We are exhausted.

Speaker 4: 1:20:48

Honestly, a lot of my friends and family are looking at leaving the US. I know a lot of people are looking at moving to California. Like housing here is about to become a lot harder. Like for this.

Speaker 1: 1:21:02

It's already impossible.

Speaker 4: 1:21:03

I kind of want california to secede.

Speaker 1: 1:21:06

I would be very pro california seceding I mean we've become one of the largest economies it'd be sick, honestly, it'd be sick as fuck.

Speaker 4: 1:21:12

I, like all my family, would move here. I would stay my family in the east coast. They would just come, I would stay.

Speaker 5: 1:21:17

I would not try to stay in america hopefully we'll take better care of the people that are already here, that are already struggling with homelessness and things like that.

Speaker 4: 1:21:25

Cause.

Speaker 5: 1:21:25

California is that state where there's a lot of homelessness here.

Speaker 4: 1:21:28

But then we got to now deal with our border of like. We have our own separate border. Our American citizens allowed to come into California and vice versa. Like and I feel like that's how the war would start Somebody is going to try to secede, Like I don't know what the hell I would do if there's a race war. If there's a race war, I would probably leave, I'm not gonna lie. I don't think I'd be that helpful.

Speaker 1: 1:21:45

I mean, it's already happening it's happened here in 1992 with the riots in LA. Like it happened. So it's I mean, I was a baby when it happened but also like, from looking back at the footage, that was an intense time. You had people up on like roofs just shooting random people. Like it's.

Speaker 1: 1:22:03

It seems like we are as different communities, though, and different intersectionalities, and that's why I wanted to be really intentional about bringing everybody from Jubilee on this episode to talk about some of this stuff, because it's like the way that the media, especially mainstream media, has put us out here as like woke is this, you know, woke mind virus, like this weird idea that these old white men that are losing control of the world won't just die already and won't just let the next generation actually make their impression on society. It's like in the 70s and the 80s, these folks were running around doing this, that and you know they're fucking in ecstasy and this. That it's like we, it's our time, like we're in our 30s now you you guys are a little bit younger too as well, but like um, but it's like it's time for the older generations to actually pass the torch, and their refusal to pass the torch like the way that the boomers have fucked over the economy, the way that the every ladder has been pulled up and the thing.

Speaker 1: 1:23:03

That's crazy they're fucking themselves over too because, like with folks like trump, again medicare is being talked about and discussed. The amount that it costs for in-home services for somebody that's what 80 plus is is ridiculous. They lose their life savings in like six months yeah, some of these people. So then, on top of it, millennials are gonna have to do with taking care of their parents. Like the economy is just in this shit show spiral and there's so much more that we can do as a society and it just seems like these people are come like these corporate interests come in, do all this weird fuck shit. We as a society have to deal with the consequences of it. We end up all fighting each other for this, that and the other reasons. It's fighting over scraps, when meanwhile, if we actually can refocus our energy and look at like, hey, these are the folks that are making these lots because, like, quite frankly, after this election, I am really upset with the democrats as well.

Speaker 1: 1:23:57

It's like it's both sides, like it's almost like and to the blue and on thing that we were talking about earlier, yeah so there's a whole theory right now and I'm going to say I have to say allegedly a lot, because I want to make sure that allegedly- are in there for this moment.

Speaker 1: 1:24:11

Basically, there's a whole recount situation where there's been a lot of people that are coming in and saying, hey, these numbers don't look right when it comes to this polling and that polling and that polling, and, I will admit, some of the stuff that I have seen. I've been kind of afraid to talk about it because a I don't want to look like how the other side looked, how they were, like the election was stolen, dah, dah, dah dah. But let's have the conversation, because some of the things that are starting to pop up with some of these like data scientists that wrote a letter to Kamala about, like a duty to serve or something, something along those lines where it's like, hey, these election numbers don't match Like I forgot, I think it was Pennsylvania that they were looking at. And the weird thing is, if you look at the stats for the democratic votes, like it does this weird curvature thing where it looks very AI, and then you start to look at the other counties in the same area and it does the same thing for the Democrats, where it goes like up and dips down.

Speaker 1: 1:25:03

Meanwhile, if you look at the Republican ones, it's like it's flooded here, it's flooded here, it's flooded there. There's some votes that have come out where, like, they only voted like I'm not sure the exact number I'm going to probably misquote it, but it was a very large number, maybe it was 70, maybe it was 10,000, but it was a very large batch that just voted for Donald Trump in certain areas where there were ballots that didn't have any down ballot votes at all. Yeah, no trust. Lawson knows this. Because I will go into as many rabbit holes to try to find the little grains of truth in all of the crazy internet red pill shit.

Speaker 4: 1:25:33

Because I still want to know conspiracy theory, but it's sometimes hard it's hard not to well I just don't freaking trust the government and I feel like, honestly, I've hated this trend of like people trusting trump and politicians. I think the democratic, the democratic party, is still very skeptical of a lot of politicians, even on the democratic side, yeah, but I feel like conservatives recently have just not been as skeptical of politics just turned it off, like they've just they're starting to take everything he says at face value and it's like meanwhile, they don't believe that he's going to do everything he says.

Speaker 4: 1:26:07

And the new now the news is fake, but the politicians are telling the truth yeah and that's like when the hell did that happen? What politicians have been lying since? Like politics existed in this country, since we've had a two-party system, it is un-american not to be skeptical of politicians yeah, always question laura laura trump, is that, is that?

Speaker 1: 1:26:25

uh, laura trump, is that somebody who is or Laura McMahon that she's going to try to run.

Speaker 3: 1:26:31

Are you talking about that? No, she was on Breakfast Club a couple weeks ago.

Speaker 4: 1:26:34

She called him Lord Trump. No.

Speaker 3: 1:26:35

Lord, it's Eric. It's one of his daughters.

Speaker 2: 1:26:39

What's his name? His daughter-in-law? Ivanka Trump? No, no.

Speaker 3: 1:26:42

It's one of Donald Trump's sons' wives Wives of it's one of donald trump's son's daughters.

Speaker 4: 1:26:46

Uh, wives, wives, lord trump, I think it's. Oh no, it could we'll figure it out in the comments.

Speaker 3: 1:26:49

The comments will let us know and they were like letting and she was saying some crazy shit, not crazy thing. But she was saying like, oh, donald trump, this is so lovely. And I was like in in us, charlotte man, the god envy. And I don't know who was interviewing her, but I was like y'all letting her say this, like people treat him like he's not soft gloves people treat him like he's not a politician People treat him like he's Michael Jackson.

Speaker 1: 1:27:13

He is worshipped in a way that I have not really seen a politician worshipped.

Speaker 4: 1:27:16

They have him like Jesus of paintings and stuff. He's a Bible, he's a dollar Christian. You're not supposed to have false idols.

Speaker 3: 1:27:25

Yeah, what's her name?

Speaker 2: 1:27:27

Laura Trump.

Speaker 3: 1:27:28

Thank you, I knew it was laura she was, and she was just the way she was talking about him and it was. She had a chance to be honest like no one's perfect, none of us are perfect here. Yeah, so someone was like I can criticize kamala all day long, but I'm still gonna vote for her because she can't.

Speaker 4: 1:27:39

I see why she can't, but he can they didn't, they let her go fly that's.

Speaker 1: 1:27:43

The other thing, too is a lot of these people that are supposed to be, these mainstream media folks, are not even— they're using kid gloves when it comes to their side, but when it comes to our side it's like knife to the neck. Oh, you—you know like I mean. This even goes back to Hillary Clinton's emails. It's like okay, are the emails that important anymore?

Speaker 4: 1:28:00

at this point, I don't fucking mind about them emails, but this man is essaying women and that we're not talking about that Really.

Speaker 2: 1:28:07

We're not money ass, though, because I know he owe that one with some money Talking about.

Speaker 4: 1:28:11

I could go on. He was right. He was right. Remember like fucking eight years ago, when he was like I could walk down Saks Fifth Avenue?

Speaker 3: 1:28:17

right now and shoot somebody in the head and they would sell vote for me he was actually right.

Speaker 3: 1:28:28

Remember, back in the park five, uh, the exonerated one page ad. Yeah, as a black boy, as a black boy, I'm sorry to keep bringing it back to black men, but it's no, no, no, please, because I'm like they don't understand this. When I was growing up and I, I saw that every day um, not like, or whatever it's called sorry, every day had a documentary, uh about the central park five and I was watching and I was like I was a black boy back then. If, if that was me, that was me and my brothers, and if I would have, I was innocent. I never did anything bad, but if I was like playing in the wrong neighborhood or I was like with the wrong people at the wrong time, I would have been in jail. I don't.

Speaker 3: 1:28:54

And he, not only did he put the ad out there, but he didn't. He doubled down when they were like oh, they were exonerated. He still was like nope, they did it. It I'm like, and black men are voting for him. How is this even like? How is this possible? I, I saw myself in all these five men when that happened and I was like I can't possibly vote for somebody like that, especially if you don't take it back, that means you don't care to me, to your point on not to say that I know what a black man would think, because I'd never, ever suggest that.

Speaker 1: 1:29:22

But there's this weird thing where being a trans guy in spaces, when they don't know that I'm trans and I'm just, you know, giving cis energy serving, and that's when the walls come down. And I have conversations with a lot of guys and especially giving this, you know, nice 80s villain, look, they kind of think that I align with some of their views.

Speaker 1: 1:29:43

As you know, when I get into those spaces and the mask falls off and I hear the shit that is said, and it's like it does come back to misogyny when it comes to that because, like, I can tell you from the drop of a dime the difference that someone will treat me as soon as they find out I'm trans, the way that it is a 180 in the way that people even just speak, even just make eye contact with me, every little thing changes so quickly and rapidly, because it's like they automatically then view me as a woman and then start to treat me as such, and that that rooted misogyny, it's like it really is deep within our society, in the combination of racism together, and it's like having those conversations about what misogyny is actually still affecting us, because a lot of people have this idea. It's like, oh, we're 2024 and women could wear pants and we've got rights and da, da, da, da, da. But it's like, no, because when I'm in these nick fuentes situations, where these guys come in and have these conversations because I get into video game spaces, I get into all that shit, I still do that, bro, shit it's fun, you know, I, I, I play that role and it's like I see this just visceral hate for women. And it's so interesting because I've always been trying to pick it apart as a trans man and I'm realizing like it comes down to like womb envy. Can we go there? Oh yeah, we can go there. I mean it, go there. I mean it's a hundred percent.

Speaker 1: 1:31:04

Because it's like that's why men are so obsessed with technology, because technology is kind of feminine if you really think about it. It's creating things. It's building things. It's something that men cannot do create life and it's this hate that comes out in these ways. That goes all the way back to, like, when we lived in fucking caves of like. Why is this woman able to give birth? Like, and I can't do this. And because, quite frankly, if men could give birth, oh, they would just make armies, it would be like the world would be a completely different place.

Speaker 4: 1:31:32

Men do not. They do depend on yeah you depend on 100 you would not exist if it were not for us. You physically would not exist.

Speaker 5: 1:31:41

Yeah, I just need you. Trans women always have it so much worse. We're always on the back end of everything. It's just, you know, sitting here listening to you, and I'm thinking back to, like, the whole thing with Ben Shapiro. Ben Shapiro was not ready to debate a trans man.

Speaker 1: 1:31:57

Hell no, and I did that shit on purpose.

Speaker 5: 1:32:00

That's a conversation that.

Speaker 1: 1:32:02

He doesn't know we exist.

Speaker 5: 1:32:04

It's not that he doesn't know that y'all exist, it's that he's not equipped to debate your experience. They're so programmed for it being people like you and I, trans women. Oh, trans women are nothing more than men. Trans women are doing this and that in the bathroom. That has been the scope of conversation for so long. It has been trans women. But then when you have a trans man, man because you said a lot of important things in there yeah, who looks the way that you do?

Speaker 2: 1:32:32

yeah, the best thing was when he said my vagina and I'm so I did that shit on purpose.

Speaker 5: 1:32:41

I wanted him to gas when I look back at it. It was such a powerful move and I did not like the fact that there were other trans men criticizing you on social media about that, but the thing was it was really interesting. It was really interesting to see that and you know, we all come from our unique experiences or whatnot. And I love what you were saying earlier because I think we have to have more conversation as black folks in the room.

Speaker 1: 1:33:06

No, shade Girl listen, I know, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5: 1:33:10

You know what I'm saying With our black queer brothers and how we treat, how sometimes they treat their black trans sisters. You know we still have a lot of work to do around that the transphobia, the misogyny, all the things or whatever. And it's kind of like you know. I was someone that did sex work in my 20s and it was kind of like you know, you didn't, you don't like trans women getting the men and all the things or whatever. But then behind the scenes you'll put on a wig, put on a little dress and we'll play the part right, you know exactly.

Speaker 4: 1:33:40

You know, I'm not gonna lie, I've experienced, I've had. Since I you know, the video went viral I've had a few many conservative men DM me Like I want to be your pay pig, I want to try to buy my used socks. They say the weirdest shit. They want to be my subs, they want to do all this shit.

Speaker 2: 1:34:02

I'm like Girl you too, I've had so many In my yes, I've had so many Tell me and I was in Texas. They're like, oh, do you need a sub?

Speaker 4: 1:34:15

Yes, it's always the sub, the pig. I'm like. We want to be dominated by a liberal. I'm like. What though?

Speaker 2: 1:34:21

And then, oh, can we? You know what? The one thing I hate when someone says to me and it's like the most worst thing you can say to anyone black, can we play the role of no slave, but reversed?

Speaker 4: 1:34:33

I hate that I was like no I had one guy who's like can I, can you like put me in a dress and humiliate me? There's so much repressed shit going on. I think that it's envious of gay people for being able to express themselves and not being afraid to express themselves.

Speaker 4: 1:34:54

I think they are envious of women for being able to express ourselves and express our femininity and have our masculine moments and create life, and I do think that women have the sexual power, like in a consensual relationship, when it's not about who is stronger. I do think that women have the sexual power, like in a consensual relationship, when it's not about who is stronger.

Speaker 1: 1:35:10

I do think that women have a sexual power, which it should be in women.

Speaker 4: 1:35:12

You know, and because, first of all, men are always horny and women are not really there are fucking turkeys. This year I couldn't eat a butterball turkey because, like I'm just, I've never had to convince my boyfriend to have sex with me. Like it's just's just never happened. He's always ready to go. Like it's just that. I'm sorry, pookie, he's getting so mad at me.

Speaker 5: 1:35:31

We love you. We're very sex-positive around you.

Speaker 4: 1:35:35

Oh God, but like it's true and they're envious.

Speaker 1: 1:35:38

He's gonna get all these DMs watching this, so I heard you.

Speaker 4: 1:35:42

Bro, but they're envious. He's gonna be like baby, damn it, why'd you do that? I am actually gonna have to warn him when I go home. No, but I do think that there are so many men who, like when you don't actually just have a bad bitch who will give you consistent pussy, like are envious of the fact that women have the power to choose when when they are horny who and when and why, and that's where I think all of this misogyny comes from.

Speaker 4: 1:36:05

That is rooted in controlling women. Yeah, because they feel and experience a lack of control over themselves. Yeah, I've gotten in fights on instagram before I was famous. I got in this fight with this man one time who was struggling with porn addiction and he kept saying because I'm a man, I have so much testosterone, I cannot choose when I'm horny, I'm just always horny all the time yeah and he's like you get to choose.

Speaker 1: 1:36:24

You don't know what it's like to just not have the option so, so unique experience though that again come, and this is why I wish more trans people, because because for real, like talking about that situation, adding a trans person in, I actually can give a really interesting perspective of understanding your perspective, but also understanding his perspective, because I have taken testosterone and that shit is a hell of a drug.

Speaker 4: 1:36:48

Yeah, it is there.

Speaker 1: 1:36:51

The whatever that chemical does like it fucking makes situations hot and heated, and you know exactly what the fuck I'm talking about. When you go into a bathroom, you're like, why the fuck am I hard anyways? Um, it's, it's.

Speaker 1: 1:37:03

It's interesting to be in that and and to have that experience as a trans man because, like I've been able to turn it on turn it off by adding hormones or taking hormones away and I can tell you flat out like there are men's mental health issues that also are being dealt with, and they also suffer from misogyny themselves, and that's the craziest thing Misogyny against each other. Often Even women perpetuate the misogyny on them. It's like oh, oh, you got to be this way, you got to be that way you got to be five, whatever.

Speaker 4: 1:37:30

Whatever.

Speaker 1: 1:37:30

No size this that and the other, and it's like men suffer from it too, and what I remember you were telling me before we got on, it's like what is the purpose of our voice? Why the hell are we doing all this shit? What are we doing it for? My hope in the long run for at least my particular path in life is to really bridge the gap between men and women and the understanding of it, because I have experienced childhood as a woman, and what happened with amani khalif is exactly what I experienced as a child, because they were like that's a man, because I was like six feet tall in you know fifth grade and they were like what the so? Like I experienced that as a child. But I also experienced the hardship of what it actually is to be a man.

Speaker 1: 1:38:09

I have a wife, I have the experiences that all that come with that, the trials and tribulations of providing as a man and showing up as a man, protecting as a man. All of that shit is also hard and also not discussed. So that's why this red pill content comes out and I kind of understand the like, the angle of where they take these young men and be like hey, we're gonna help you, we're gonna solve this shit. But as a trans guy, I want to be like hey, that is actually not what women want. I got a vagina listen, let me show you, you know. And I want to fucking help guys out too, because the violence again that's perpetuated in the world comes from the duality of women being misunderstood and men being misunderstood simultaneously.

Speaker 4: 1:38:47

But women have we have.

Speaker 1: 1:38:50

We have so many environments in which we can vent about Trans people are so important for this message and I think it's why society has so many trans people right now is because the gender wars are so fucked that we are actually popping up more and more to teach the life lessons to the greater consciousness as a whole.

Speaker 4: 1:39:08

And I do feel like, because women experience systemic oppression at the hands of men, that sometimes we do not take men's issues seriously, and I just want to say personally to everyone watching I have been accused several, many times of being a misinterest and I just want to respond to that.

Speaker 4: 1:39:26

I am not a misinterest. I do not hate men. I do not believe that women are better or deserve more rights at all, but I do take issue with a pattern that I have witnessed in which men will be facing very real and very serious hardships and concerns and ostracizations based on their identity, and, instead of externalizing that in a healthy way of trying to connect with other men and bridge those gaps, they will externalize it in a way that is attacking, dehumanizing women. That is the issue. It is not your hardship, it is not your struggle. We want to help you, we want to help you, we love you and we want to help you and see you succeed, because when you fail, it affects all of us. Yes, it does, it really does. We're not on a different team. We all, like, have to live together and we are not against you in any way.

Speaker 2: 1:40:21

It's when you use your pain and your suffering as an excuse to attack women that I take issue like seriously, like when you say, like a race war, we don't have a race war, I was like I don't see that. I don't want that to happen, because I feel like we've had so much time to grow and learn that we should be able to at least sit down and be like, hey, this really isn't what it is. We need to figure out ways that we should be able to at least sit down and be like, hey, this really isn't what it is. We need to figure out ways that we can work around this. We need to figure out the schools. We need to figure out this life in general, like the things that we are teaching our kids right now. What are we teaching our kids? Our president can be this nasty person and still win. Are we teaching our kids that, no matter what, there's consequences to your actions and there's actually a better way to do things to make other people's lives better versus worse?

Speaker 3: 1:41:20

yeah, I was. I want to share my coming out story with you guys because I feel like it's important, especially based on what you both just said. Yeah, um, I have a father who is from the south, like the south, uh, christian, super, and everyone. When I came out it was like, well, how are you gonna tell him like? Everyone was kind of like we knew, like you know, we're waiting for you, but how are you gonna tell that man? Because my dad's very like, he's my dad's, he's like the patriarch of our family, he's like the one, he's the one, um, and we're very close.

Speaker 3: 1:41:43

I I remember I called my dad when I was in college. I came out to him and I was like you know, daddy, whatever, whatever. And he said to me he goes again. I was afraid. He's like I tell you kids all the time. He's like I had you. I know every single thing about you before you know it about yourself. My daddy and I are like this Because he was like and I'm not going to portray that onto my son that's my baby, I love him, that's mine. But Eddie and I are like this. I love my daddy because he did not fall victim to. You know what I mean, and it was it's, I was telling my partner this last night I was like I'm so happy, you know what I mean Like it's because to raise.

Speaker 4: 1:42:25

Black community really needs to do that better.

Speaker 2: 1:42:27

I actually have the same experience with my dad because I told him like dad, like, love you dad, probably seen like my instagram. I appreciate I changed a lot and he's all like and we never had a good relationship like. I was always my mom all the time. So when I told my dad, I'm like dad, you know, this is what I am, this is what what it is. He's all like baby. You always had a good head on your shoulders. You always been accomplished in everything that you do, no matter what it is, and you've always made your own way and I love you, no matter what. And for him to be from the south also that that is a big thing because that teaches anyone from the South, any black person within their families.

Speaker 2: 1:43:12

Acceptance is there, you just have to give it ride it and then you all eat together, no matter what, we all going to come to the same home, we all want to come back to the same people, we all going to make money, we all going to win together, together. But when you take that second, that option and be like I don't want to deal with these people, guess what? Now I'm winning without you, and when I win without you, I'm gonna win big, oh for sure, like I'm gonna win the lotto up in here. And then when I win that lotto, guess what? You're left in the back, I'm in the front and anyone who was with me during that point is gonna to win with me.

Speaker 5: 1:43:47

I love that we all understand the importance of unity in this room. I genuinely appreciate that. I just really hate that. The reality of it is Donald Trump and the way that he weaponizes people, the way that he uses people. It's disgraceful, it's despicable, it's disgusting. But I believe that it will take us building a coalition amongst each other and having these conversations and carrying these conversations over that. We can fight against that. You know what I mean, like as a trans woman. I just think about where I am in society now, especially being a black trans woman. Then, on top of that, I'm also native as well too, and so there's a lot of, there's a lot of like transphobia within the native american community that I'm also a part of.

Speaker 5: 1:44:29

So, yeah, you know, I look at where I am in this country today and where I stand and I'm just exhausted yeah I have been out here advocating for black women, black men uh trans men in general trans men I've been advocating for everyone, everyone, and I just want to see a return on my investment there's a phenomenon, have you seen there?

Speaker 4: 1:44:50

was this have you seen the like hashtag black rest or something like?

Speaker 5: 1:44:53

black women, yes, and so I want I'm glad you brought that up, because I have been contemplating whether I want to promote that, because, as a black trans woman, I need to rest, yes, but I can only rest for so long, because I know that if I rest too long, we're not gonna I'm not gonna be able to come back.

Speaker 5: 1:45:11

Number one, number two I could be in a place of detriment where I don't know if I can pull myself up. You know, as a trans person in this country, our rights to gender affirming care, our rights to be able just to use the freaking bathroom.

Speaker 5: 1:45:26

You know, my friend sarah mcbride is going through what she's going through um in congress, which I'm so proud of her because I've known sarah for over 10 years when I first became an activist. You know she was there with hrc and so you know it's just a lot happening. But I appreciate the conversations whether we agree or disagree that are happening around that, because that's how we build coalitions of understanding and what I hope is because, you know, astrologically, looking at all the aspects or whatever, yes, there's a race war potentially happening, but it's how we combat it and I really I love what you said so much because it's so, so important. I just think that we have to learn to take what we're saying here and find impactful ways to make that change happen.

Speaker 4: 1:46:11

I don't think it's for me, though. Can we please, please, please, stop pushing that. I don't want to do it. Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't want to wish it.

Speaker 5: 1:46:19

But. But I'm also a realist because you know when I'm looking at the astrology of it or whatnot, it's already happening. It's been happening for so long under this Trump administration. However, I do think, as time goes along, because Trump has given permission for people who essay, people who commit rape, commit crimes, pedophilia, all of those things, to be able to thrive.

Speaker 1: 1:46:49

This is where it's a little bit different than the first time and become emboldened as well, because as soon as the election hit, my comment section yeah but see if y'all notice this, this is where the difference happened the first time I don't even.

Speaker 4: 1:47:00

Yeah, I like I will read my tiktok comments the first 10 minutes after I post a video, and then anything after that. I just don't even even look.

Speaker 5: 1:47:06

So I want to make this very clear. We're not wishing anything here, but I do think we have to be prepared for it, because this is the difference between now and the first time. He wasn't convicted of all those things. The first time, right.

Speaker 2: 1:47:17

Yeah.

Speaker 5: 1:47:17

And it's given permission for people who feel empowered by Trump.

Speaker 4: 1:47:22

I know the fact that you know what this monster is, but you're still riding for it, correct, like the first time. It was kind of like well, you know, we like his ideas, we. He's never been a politician before, so we don't know if he's gonna be horrible and then he was. So we all know now that he's horrible. We've all watched him be horrible for like eight years. If you're still willing to vote for him, same on you like but that's such a much worse beast like.

Speaker 4: 1:47:50

At first I was just like okay, our country's stupid. Now it's more like oh, you're like we. This is beyond stupid, because we all know the allegations and the accusations against all these people, for sure but yet you still choose to ride with them, right? That's not just ignorance, that's an issue of morality, you know.

Speaker 3: 1:48:07

Sorry, no, no, go ahead. It's so nice to meet you because I've been watching the podcast for a while now and I saw your content and I was like I cannot wait to meet you. Oh, thank you.

Speaker 1: 1:48:19

You're on the famous couch now. You're part of the podcast. Yeah, I appreciate all of y'all.

Speaker 3: 1:48:22

I was excited to see all of y'all.

Speaker 5: 1:48:23

I was excited to see all of y'all too, like I, just because getting on that show and debating Ben Shapiro all four of you like that was so powerful, because you all come from your unique experiences and people like him need to see it and face off with it, like I think and I know you didn't get a chance to go up there, but you know you got to have your- moment because we're manifesting moments, bigger moments, for all of y'all here.

Speaker 5: 1:48:47

You, you know you're gonna have your moment, because we're manifesting moments, bigger moments for all of y'all here. You know, I want to say to the people because you know I'm kind of the only one that wasn't there or whatever you know, I am so proud of you, we are so proud of you, because it took courage, it took charisma to be able to sit there with patience, with empathy, because y'all had to. Y'all had enough empathy to go on there and you, you, know what To Jubilee.

Speaker 2: 1:49:07

my face ain't not that big. Thank you, my face is not that big. I am not that big in the face.

Speaker 5: 1:49:14

I mean they took care of it. You had enough empathy to go on there and just talk about what you needed to say.

Speaker 4: 1:49:19

I'm so happy. Oh, by the way, I actually just want to clear something up, because people kept making fun of me for wearing that dog collar. My dog died, wow, yeah. I bet y'all feel stupid now, don't you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, wow, yeah. People kept being like she's in a dog collar. My dog died and now I don't wear it. Also, the the latch broke on it, but that now I don't wear it. I like thank to, thank you. Yes, see, and I do feel like a lot of times people will watch these videos without knowing, like in one thing, they don't really prepare you for the aftermath of this, and I think a lot of people will see the video and get an idea of who I am based on. Like 10 minutes of me.

Speaker 1: 1:50:02

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:50:02

And it's like you really don't know me, like when Aiden Ross is talking about she gets no dick, blah, blah, blah. It's like dude, you don't know me. None of you know me.

Speaker 2: 1:50:10

Aiden Ross got his nerve, didn't he pay?

Speaker 3: 1:50:12

for some of the sexy red, didn't he?

Speaker 2: 1:50:15

pay for some of the sexy red. I could have swore he paid for some of that, I think that's actually factual. Look sexy gets your money, girl Get. Look sexy, gets your money, girl, get it sexy, get it sexy. Y'all are freaking fantastic.

Speaker 5: 1:50:29

All of y'all are amazing. I'm just grateful to be here amongst all of y'all.

Speaker 3: 1:50:35

Y'all are such powerhouses in this room. No, no, you two are amazing. You two are amazing. I could not wait to do this.

Speaker 4: 1:50:40

I think my favorite thing about doing this video is because people ask me, like if you knew what was gonna happen when you do it again? Honestly, probably not really really. No, I'm not gonna lie, it was because I'm in school, I'm a full-time student, and it was really, really disruptive. Like you know, I was in classes where we'd have to do political debates and now, of course, everyone wants me to speak and you know like there have been some really cool opportunities and stuff that's come from it.

Speaker 4: 1:51:03

Obviously, like knowing you guys, like meeting hasan, like um, I've had some really wonderful conversations with like kids and especially like younger teenagers, who are just like feeling really lost and being like I love your content and like that stuff is beautiful and I would not change that for the world, but I I do wish I was like 25 when this had happened.

Speaker 4: 1:51:25

Like it's been really hard to like be in school, no media training like still like trying to figure it out, find my footing in my career, which is not in politics, and have this kind of like shit storm like suddenly on me. It's been really hard to like balance and navigate.

Speaker 2: 1:51:43

But you know what? I think that this happening right now actually gives you an opportunity to do something. Maybe you don't want to do political things. Maybe you want to start a nonprofit that actually benefits people in a way that you know benefits them, or you want to educate people in a way that allows them to be heard and seen. There's a lot of different avenues, now that you have available to you that most people do not. Yeah, and that's the biggest picture that you can ever see. Like I always tell people, god doesn't put you in a place that you're not ready for. He puts you in a place that makes you more available to him and works through.

Speaker 1: 1:52:25

I love the point like uh, I've been in activism, what is it like 15 years now?

Speaker 1: 1:52:31

yeah yes, uh, because 35 going on 36, and I have met a lot of leaders and a lot of different communities um, and what I see in you and even just how you're able to acknowledge like male struggle, which most people were probably like wait a second, she actually understands. Men go through shit, because I'm sure they've created that image of you of like being a man hating whatever. You know they always do, that you're a blue-haired liberal and but in reality it's like we are so much more complex and nuanced than that and like, from what I see in you and something that I've always seen in in people that lead really well, they hate leading. Blossom will tell you this like even some of the stuff that I have done.

Speaker 1: 1:53:13

Now that she has pushed me into, she's like no, you need to be the one up front. You need to stop being second man. You need to be the one that's in the jump, because I had like self confidence issues and stuff and that came through over age and stuff because I learned through some shit. So you're still going through that aging process of learning things. But from what I'm just seeing, some of your content and even just how you came to to show up today, it's like you have a very strong leadership quality about you that is really important in politics. It's like I don't want to really be a politician. Neither does blossom, but her and I we well, I may want to really be a politician.

Speaker 5: 1:53:46

Neither does Blossom, but her and I. We actually want to run for office. I don't know Now.

Speaker 1: 1:53:49

I feel like, but like remember when we first because her and I we actually like are sitting, like I hate to break it to anybody in the comments, but we actually are sitting like commissioners and stuff like that we actually do like stuff with the city of West Hollywood, the city of la, and like influence the mayor directly and actually are in politics. And it's something that I never thought I would do. I thought I was going to be a musician. I thought I was gonna do all those things because that's what I grew up doing I'm in film.

Speaker 4: 1:54:15

I'm supposed to be a. I kept getting. I'm like, what the hell is this?

Speaker 1: 1:54:18

but for some reason I kept getting pulled into this political world. And to your point earlier, it's like a black woman can't rest. It's also trans people can't rest either, because if we do, then we're going to lose everything.

Speaker 4: 1:54:28

It's like we're forced. Our lives are the first that will be taken.

Speaker 5: 1:54:32

Yeah, you know what all right being here is important it's important, but it's not a mistake it is alignment. Yeah, maybe you're supposed to shine a light on these particular topics in film and get some more paypigs too and you know you're never not like there's a lot.

Speaker 4: 1:54:47

I'm not going to lie. Link in bio Pay pigs. You're welcome to hit me up $1,000 on Venmo to all of us all right. Tyler Perry Tyler Perry's to go you can hit me up on Instagram at hairsoup with two P's now Back in. Better than no. Don't do that, my boyfriend, go kill me.

Speaker 1: 1:55:13

There's all these venmo's like that one he's like honestly could I? Tell you something. I put up a tiktok video because because all that viral stuff and people are like, oh, I want to buy him drinks, and I just was like here's my venmo. I got a few donations, so you know do it, I've gotten.

Speaker 4: 1:55:24

I have gotten a few guys. So you know, do it, I've gotten a few, I have gotten a few. I had one guy Shout out, this guy.

Speaker 1: 1:55:28

Anybody wants to give donations? You know, Shane Ivan Nash at Venmo, oh my.

Speaker 4: 1:55:31

God, his email, I forget. It was like the change. Why am I booing you? Oh my God.

Speaker 1: 1:55:38

Why am I booing you?

Speaker 4: 1:55:40

Because you didn't get the donations. Huh, shout out. He was just buying me coffee every day for like two weeks. Shout out to the supporters got me through like a very sleepy two weeks, so I really appreciate you for that.

Speaker 1: 1:55:53

Wherever he's at, I hope he's doing well, yeah well, I think this is a beautiful place to even end the episode here. Quick question where the hell do we find everybody? Because I want to make sure all the social medias are out so everybody follows us. Because for some reason jubilee didn't tag me. Shady, shady, shady lady, shady lady oh, I know, no trust, they didn't tag me so anybody that's looking for me, shane ivanash at on all social medias, and where can we find y'all?

Speaker 4: 1:56:20

um, oh, hi, I'm a screen ager um, I am a hair soup at hair dot soup, with two P's on Instagram, and then just at hair dot soup on Tik TOK. Nice, I think I'm starting a YouTube channel too, so when. I do that do it.

Speaker 3: 1:56:40

Stay tuned. I have a podcast coming up very soon. Call, I know what you mean. You can find me on socials, on Instagram at arcane bro. A R C A N E B-o. Uh, and that's it beautiful congratulations thank you thank you.

Speaker 2: 1:56:53

You can find me at beauty barbie kaylani, and then on tiktok. It is kaylani dash j blossom.

Speaker 1: 1:57:03

Where can we find you?

Speaker 5: 1:57:04

Blossom C Brown all platforms you already know including Venmo. Blossom Shell. Altaro, please Venmo me. I want some of that abundance. What about you?

Speaker 1: 1:57:17

well, they know where to find me at shaneivannashcom or wherever shaneivannash is, where you know you can even get a sweater. I'm probably going to be hanging this jersey up.

Speaker 5: 1:57:25

Actually today's going to be the last day I wear it. You need to frame that. I'm going to sign it. You were sitting there with Ben Shapiro.

Speaker 1: 1:57:31

I know, I know he called me bro and then he regretted it, but I want to make sure everybody hit that like and subscribe button. Make sure to follow all of us. Stay tuned for more episodes because we've got more conversations coming. More episodes because you got more conversations coming. Stay tuned for more and Blossom.

Speaker 5: 1:57:47

You want to outro us with our little I sure, do Take a little time to enjoy the Transparency Podcast Show. We'll see you next time.