Inside Jubilee's Surrounded: When They Silence Us, We Speak Louder

When Michael Knowles faced 25 LGBTQIA+ activists on Jubilee's "Surrounded" series, what viewers saw was heavily edited. Now, Blossom C. Brown and Shane Ivan Nash welcome fellow debaters Stassi and Scarlett for a raw, unfiltered conversation about what really happened behind those edits.

The conversation quickly turns to conservative commentator Amala Ekbunobi, who created reaction videos misrepresenting the trans debaters. "They hate when I come; they hate when I'm there," Blossom notes with a knowing smile, addressing how certain conservatives have built entire platforms off anti-trans rhetoric. The group skillfully dissects how isolated incidents are weaponized against the entire transgender community while the overwhelming statistics about cisgender male violence get conveniently ignored.

Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome and April Fools Opening
• 1:48 Michael Knowles Debate Experience
• 7:42 Responding to Amala's Commentary
• 19:54 Addressing Bathroom & Safety Arguments
• 27:06 Buck Angel and Conservative Grifting
• 34:48 Blossom's History with Amala
• 50:51 Trans Housing Struggles and Support
• 1:08:59 Advice for Trans Debaters on Jubilee
• 1:16:59 Closing Thoughts and Show Wrap

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

This is the Transparency Podcast Show.

Speaker 2: 0:04

Welcome to the Transparency Podcast Show. It is your girl, blossom C Brown, and I'm here with my man, shane Ivan Nash. How you doing baby.

Speaker 3: 0:14

Baby, I'm doing good, come here.

Speaker 4: 0:19

Oh.

Speaker 2: 0:20

Oh, oh, my God, oh, I need a moment to get myself together. That felt so good.

Speaker 3: 0:29

I missed you. I'm glad we're shooting again.

Speaker 2: 0:31

I missed you more. I guess we're coming out to the world today and telling the truth, but before we go any further, make sure you hit the subscribe button down below, so that way you'll know when we post new videos. But anyways, you were saying Well, you were saying.

Speaker 3: 0:45

Well, you know, I think it's important for us to tell people our truth. Working together as long as we have, I've really fallen for you. So I think you're a beautiful woman and you've really added a lot to my life, and I appreciate especially the raw sexual energy you've brought to me.

Speaker 2: 1:00

Oh, and I know Blair White and Buck Angel are sick hearing this. Oh I know, I already know what it's giving. Oh, I'm going to let Ikunambi too.

Speaker 3: 1:10

You're never going to get that girl's name right, are you? Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2: 1:15

April Fool's bitch, but here's a proven fact. Here's a fact, though. Shane is my very best friend in the whole wide world. We are definitely best friends, and I'm so grateful to be doing this podcast here with you. So, for many of y'all that know, I was in a Surrounded episode with Michael Knowles. It was my first Surrounded episode, but my fourth Jubilee debate, and so I got to meet some wonderful, fantastic debaters on the show, and I have two of them right here, or should I say we have two of them right here. We have Stassi and Scarlett here at the Transparency Podcast Show. Welcome, ladies, how y'all doing Good? I'm doing good. How are you, oh, child? Trying to stay as unproblematic as possible, but you know how hard that is okay, what about you, skylar?

Speaker 2: 2:05

Hey girl, thanks my God. Hey, y'all look so good. We're looking fly. We're going to respond to some haters today because I heard that the haters have been making videos about us because we're divine goddesses and we're out here doing our thing. So you already know, so let's jump right into it. Since filming the Michael Know knows video, how have y'all been? What has been going on? Give us the tea um, it's been good.

Speaker 1: 2:33

I feel like for the first week or so, I was living in my own like bubble, like I was really filtering through everything and not trying to pay attention to the heat. Um, but on twitter is where it started getting so bad oh like about everyone.

Speaker 1: 2:49

Like I, I was seeing pictures and videos and clips like almost every single day. I'm still getting them on my four-year page, so I'm not even using the app anymore. Um, but I mean, my experience with like production and whatnot was really well. I've interviewed with jubilee a couple times since and it's been very positive. But the way that I think some of my clips and yours have been portrayed is very divisive. I mean, even just the clip that they posted of me on their TikTok page was insane.

Speaker 2: 3:22

Which, by the way, she's gotten the most views out of all of us not for a good reason she went, the most viral, which was you know yeah, and I think that I was like a seat filler I got.

Speaker 1: 3:33

I didn't even go through an interview process. We figured that out when we filmed the reaction video with gilbert. I applied, they picked me and then I don't think they knew I was going to come in and cause so much trouble.

Speaker 2: 3:46

Girl, you were getting it up there. We were just snapping the fingers. Snapping the fingers, honey, I was living for you.

Speaker 1: 3:53

I was living for you. I kept seeing your reactions to what I was saying and I was blown.

Speaker 2: 3:59

You know they were mad about that too in some of these other videos. The conservatives honey.

Speaker 1: 4:04

Yeah, they didn't like that we had any sort of emotional response to what was being said to us, but I don't know how you couldn't.

Speaker 2: 4:10

We all had good defenses. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, Scarlett. What's been going on? How has life been since you've been on the Jubilee video?

Speaker 5: 4:18

Yeah, honestly, I didn't really have any sort of really negative reaction. Good, there was, like some like people dming me a lot of them were chasers.

Speaker 3: 4:28

I'm gonna be honest.

Speaker 2: 4:29

Oh well, girl, you got an offer for five thousand dollars let's be clear, honey you're sexy and gorgeous, so I I understand that.

Speaker 5: 4:36

Yes but I did have a couple and honestly I would say the ones that hurt the most were from the left over the right.

Speaker 3: 4:44

I have to agree with you Sometimes that hurts deeper. The left can be so cruel, even though we are on allegedly the same side. How did? What did you experience?

Speaker 5: 4:57

I had like a lot of people from the left just kind of like discussing like my ability to be on Jubilee, like why I even went on. They're like you shouldn't have gone on in the first place, yada, yada, yada. And like I didn't even really know anything about Jubilee, I think I watched maybe two episodes. I was like I don't even know what this is. This is just like a media thing and like I've had a weird sort of housing situation. So I was like any way to get like extra money and like see people in my community and kind of make connections because I'm new to the city, like I'm going to take it. So that was like the main reason I took it. And even when I was on there, like I'm not a debater, it's not something that I was trained for, that I really had a lot of knowledge on. But I still think I did a pretty good job for what I had to work with.

Speaker 3: 5:36

So yeah, especially the part when you were like, so wait that was your first and apparently yeah, I've never debated anyone before.

Speaker 2: 5:43

Yeah.

Speaker 5: 5:44

Okay.

Speaker 2: 5:44

Neither have I, and especially the part when you were doing this, that or whatever. And apparently a certain Gen Z-er YouTuber who's a grifter, who used to be a leftist but all of a sudden is now somebody on the right, made a comment about that, which was really interesting, and so here's the tea y'all. So I'm on YouTube minding my own business, scrolling through, scrolling through, and I come across this video that our biggest hater to the show, amala I call her Ekbunami, but it's Ekbunobi Made a whole reaction.

Speaker 3: 6:17

Never going to get the girl's name right.

Speaker 2: 6:20

Made a whole reaction video. We need some sound effects. Where are our sound effects at On page? Okay, hold on. And what I do at Actually? Oh, Our biggest hater made another video about us. Hi Amala, how you doing girl? Hey Amala, Hi Amala's followers, because I know y'all coming over here to look lurk and everything Y' else smelling like low self-esteem and baloney. But apparently she made this video about us in our debates and so we have a few clips here and I thought it was important for us to react to it Now. Y'all being here is just a coincidence. She made that video a long time ago and y'all were the ones that came through, and so why not just react to the video? And so let's go ahead and start playing these clips and you guys give y'all opinion and we'll just go from there. See what's given.

Speaker 4: 7:12

Okay and agree on what the facts are of the topic that you are discussing, and not a single individual so far that we've gone through in this video out of the three has met him on a fact that he's given and said you know what? That's true, except the person who said it's not happening but they deserve it. That was where, uh, he was met on a fact, and even then we couldn't find common ground on the issue, true. What about the two-spirited people?

Speaker 6: 7:37

what? What is the two-spirited people?

Speaker 1: 7:39

in the indigenous community they are.

Speaker 4: 7:42

He's baiting this individual. Of course he knows what a two-spirit is.

Speaker 1: 7:45

I don't want to get into semantics, but oh, so you admit he's baiting that? Glad you saw that the fact is that there has always been trans people do you know where the phrase two-spirited came from?

Speaker 6: 7:54

I don't, it came from light and it came from the third annual inter-tribal native american first nations gay and lesbian americans conference in 1990? And why did you act like you didn't know what two-spirit was?

Speaker 1: 8:06

I just don't think that that's true.

Speaker 6: 8:07

It's true.

Speaker 4: 8:07

The woman who coined that term Fact check, even fact check by Jubilee, true 1990. It's kind of like when people are like when you go to school and everybody's meant to believe that Kwanzaa is this super huge holiday and you leave and Amala definitely goes off topic I don't want to hear her voice anymore.

Speaker 3: 8:23

How do you feel about that? I paused it. I don't know.

Speaker 2: 8:26

I think what she had to say. I think it was more important at the end of it. But anyways, stassi, yeah, so far listening to that, cause somebody like Amala don't stay on topic or damn. So like what's your reaction.

Speaker 1: 8:39

So I like this. I like this is like one of the biggest things I got comments about, like specifically on the TikTok and all that stuff. It was about not knowing the definitions of two-spirited people. So from my experience, I was sitting in front of somebody who I knew was going to have a definition. I also didn't want to misrepresent so like why would I sit there and when it's clearly over my head, try to explain it? I didn't want to disrespect anybody, so I just kind of conceded to that. But it wasn't. I mean, I was non-binary for a long time. That's where I started. Yeah, that's where I started my journey about like three or four years ago. So that was a very large part of my identity and I did do a lot of research and did the two-spirited community and whatnot. So it it just really went over my head and I don't think that it's a big talking point.

Speaker 2: 9:35

Yeah, and they get the reaching Cause, josh, who was on there, who they edited out completely. I was just going to say I wish Josh was here yeah. We're going to still get Josh on the show.

Speaker 5: 9:45

I've talked to Josh already about being on the show.

Speaker 4: 9:46

Josh is phenomenal.

Speaker 2: 9:47

Yeah, josh does great work, but Josh literally sat in the seat for two minutes, explained what two-spirit was and got up and left and you can see Josh right behind Michael and the thing is, people still found, tried to find flaws in it, in it, and it's like y'all don't want to get educated. I think we just need to wake it up like I'd rather have much more respect for you when you tell me that.

Speaker 1: 10:10

I just don't want to hear it yeah, exactly, and I think that that was the part that really frustrated me is that there was an entire clip after, like I was making eye contact with josh as it was happening, like I was getting that support from him in the moment. So it just was a lot for me in terms of that narrative, because I didn't want to misrepresent a community. That's why I didn't speak on it and Michael Knowles did. And that fact check. Am I allowed to cuss on here?

Speaker 2: 10:40

Yes, you're absolutely Bullshit. I think so too it was absolute bullshit.

Speaker 5: 10:44

I agree, I have a native background my mother's from Oklahoma, my grandfather's from Oklahoma.

Speaker 2: 10:51

My grandmother lives in Oklahoma. I'm Cherokee and Choctaw. I'm Cherokee.

Speaker 1: 10:54

Oh, so yeah, yeah, black.

Speaker 2: 10:56

Cherokee and Choctaw. The cheekbones everything Like my, Like my cheekbones are fake, but you look good though, girl. Hold on, hold on, hold on. We're a little slow on the sound effects today, y'all, so please forgive us.

Speaker 5: 11:14

But you know, the whole thing just like pissed me off a little bit because it's like the term was created. Yeah, they have always existed and it's like it was a term as a blanket statement. There's over 130 tribes that have gender variants. You can't just say like, you know, this is what it is and a lot of the terms that they called the people to were slurs from white people. That's why they created the term two spirit, because it was going to all encompass and bring more positivity to, like our being. You know what I mean? I didn't know that. Yes, god, you better say that. It really like pissed me off that he tried to do this whole little thing. Like we needed a term, we needed a way to connect to everyone in our communities who are native, who are already marginalized. That's why it was made.

Speaker 1: 11:58

Well, and that's why I said I'm not getting into the semantics of it, because that is a semantic, like I'm not getting into the semantics of it because that is a semantic. Like the two spirited people, like you said, have always been here. There is documentation. The definition he gave me was trying to throw me off Cause. What am I going to say to that? I made it very clear when I walked in that I wasn't a debater. I'd never sat in a debate before. I wasn't there to debate the second.

Speaker 2: 12:22

He walked in and mason had informed me who it was, why, like come on, because a lot of it what people don't know and shane's been in our in episodes as well too it's a lot of blind debating, so you're going in somewhere where you just don't know, you just don't know, michael knowles, no like, got to prepare his question, yes, and gets to do that. And a lot of the guests on that side, especially conservative folks- and liberal too, because Sam Cedar was on there and did a fabulous job.

Speaker 3: 13:24

Here's the thing. What is it that Dean guy? I saw him on a live. I've seen him say a lot of problematic stuff on a live. We can even talk about that for a moment. But that Dean guy he said on a live that like jubilee didn't give him the same background questions when he did like a 20 versus one, uh versus uh.

Speaker 3: 13:44

Conservatives himself yeah where he was, the main guy I think I heard he didn't get the same support that, like ben shapiro and michael knolls and all these other guys are getting where, like they're getting the video before it even airs, and stuff like that.

Speaker 1: 13:55

Yeah, because Michael had a completely different clip even of me. I got posted on the Daily Wire. Oh wow, I don't know, if you guys saw that they posted me just my clip. I don't watch that trash. Yeah, I don't either. Unfortunately, I was flooded in the comments, like people DMing it to me and tagging me on Twitter.

Speaker 5: 14:20

It was a completely, completely different clip than jubilee had made.

Speaker 2: 14:21

It had the jubilee text. Yeah, so clearly. He had access to the videos. Yeah, he misgendered me in the video which they all run to misgendering. But, scarlet, guess what? Miss ekbu nami has something to say about you.

Speaker 5: 14:27

So you already, oh god we about to get into it. So if we're gonna think about women getting rapes in bathrooms, right, it's a small percentage of trans people that are doing it. I'm not denying that that's happening, because it is a reality and it's an awful thing for women to have to go through.

Speaker 4: 14:42

I can appreciate that. So now you have a trans person saying yes, there are people with trans identities who go on to sexually assault women. Not the very least I can commend that admission.

Speaker 5: 14:56

But then what are we doing about the men that are the 93 percent of sexual?

Speaker 6: 14:57

violence towards women? No, hopefully arresting them and putting them in prison and what are you doing before that?

Speaker 5: 15:01

why are men the highest percentage for this, if it's such a bad thing for trans women to use the bathroom when a very, very, very small amount of women are being raped by?

Speaker 4: 15:12

you know, two issues can exist at once, and we can do work on both of those issues.

Speaker 3: 15:16

Oh, my god, you can't say that and then not actually have the nuance of what you're actually saying. It's like you run into the point and you miss it we'll refer to them also.

Speaker 4: 15:23

Sexually assault and rape women doesn't mean we don't address the fact that, uh, transgender identifying individuals are also doing the same thing.

Speaker 3: 15:30

We can do two things at once you don't have this energy cis men, but you have this energy for trans women, because it's just misogyny layered as some weird thing. Because you want to be a pick me, and this is all this is. This is all this is. No, I'm tired of her.

Speaker 4: 15:45

The woman's bathroom, you can call law enforcement or security and say, hey, a man just came into my bathroom. But now, with this legislation, you cannot do that if we're going to have protections for men identifying as women these bathrooms one day she's going to realize it and it's unfortunate because it's going to be some bad experience she has and she's going to see why we say the things we say.

Speaker 6: 16:07

I think we try to enforce our laws and protect people from this is a cis men problem.

Speaker 3: 16:12

It's cisgender men that are attacking women. These kinds of violent crimes, compared to most of them, don't even get more than two months, if they even get the DNA to prove it, like they have no idea what a victim is.

Speaker 6: 16:22

This is one area I've experienced. We don't need to allow them to do that. It's a needless risk. It's based on a false view of reality and claims of rights.

Speaker 3: 16:30

I'm so over it, ok. So who wants to say some shit? Because I'm so over it, I don't even want to hear that. Who wants to take the mic? I'll take it. If you want, go for it.

Speaker 5: 16:40

Honestly, it was really dumb of her to be like some trans people transition to rape.

Speaker 5: 16:45

Girl get fucked, respectfully get fucked. I didn't want to sit there and be like no trans person is ever raping somebody. I didn't want to say like they were a cis man, like dressed as a woman, because, like I don't know who they are. I'm not going to validate or invalidate their transness, so there's a possibility, it could happen. So we'll just say it happened and like call it a day, even though we know from like our lived experiences that, like trans women are the least likely to sexually assault another woman of any kind. So I was like like all right, here we go, we're gonna, we're gonna start with this. And then you know she's talking about the whole bathroom sign things, and I love when they do this.

Speaker 1: 17:21

they leave out the clips like of michael being like well, it doesn't really matter about the signs because a man could just walk in, but she's not going to talk about that no, no, it's because she doesn't have the intellectual capacity to talk about that or or she's trying to create the narrative purposely, because that's what she does to feed her audience, I mean it's wild because I got sent actually your clip of that by somebody from the right and they had sent me a newspaper article of some like gay couple like assaulting a kid and I just went onto Google and I looked up church member assaults child. Oh my God, 50 different articles came up, and so I sent him like five and I'm like that's fine Quote, scarlett, that's how you have to do it Like.

Speaker 2: 18:02

That's how you have to do it. It's interesting, yeah, yeah, she. Well, she naturally spews hate and then I think she weaponized her base to go out and attack us, because they attack us all the time. And you know she, blair White and Buck Angel are no different, just three grifters, you know. In my opinion, yeah, and so you know.

Speaker 3: 18:21

There's some grifters on the left though, too. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 18:24

I think in one of Buck's videos he called me a grifter. Good luck, I'm getting booked on your platform and on the liberal ones.

Speaker 3: 18:33

Wait, wait, wait. Didn't he talk about your titties?

Speaker 2: 18:35

too. Yeah, buck Angel was talking about my titties on Pierce Apparently. I had this moment where I was just doing this. I wasn't intentionally trying to do that or whatever.

Speaker 3: 18:43

Yes, you were bitch, Don't lie.

Speaker 2: 18:44

But they just naturally called it that way. They're distracting. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1: 18:48

Get out of my face, buck.

Speaker 3: 18:51

Angel Jesus, yeah, jesus yeah, um, I thought he was supposed to be sex positive too. What happened to that little hypocrisy there? And well, I don't even know who buck angel is. Yeah, most people don't anymore. Yeah, he was a character fighting for his life, so you know respectfully.

Speaker 2: 19:04

He laid on his back for 20, 30 years as a character in porn and he got retired out, in my opinion, by younger trans masculine content creators. Shout out to all the trans masculine content creators. Shout out to all the trans masculine content creators. Shout out fans. By the way, we love y'all and porn hub y'all porn hub, everything, and so I feel hashtag ftm if you need to search yeah, I feel that he, I feel that he projects I feel like he projects a lot because he was the man with the pussy.

Speaker 2: 19:32

That's. That's what he was.

Speaker 3: 19:33

Yeah, named in porn I'm not lying one of the first trans masculine people that I saw, and I saw him on the playboy channel when he sat down on the couch. I don't remember the episode, somehow I was like 12 watching.

Speaker 2: 19:44

They used to make him like a character he walked out like it too.

Speaker 3: 19:48

He would be like I'm a man with a pussy and but in a way, like he used to do it, empowering, like I even kind of looked up to him because I was like, oh, like yeah, fuck, yeah, I'm a man with a pussy. But now it's turned into this weird ass, like same way Joe Rogan just went off the deep end. I don't know. It's like white men get older and they just get angry. I hope Blossom slapped me if that happens to me.

Speaker 2: 20:17

Oh, I would definitely slap you. Slap the shit out of me.

Speaker 3: 20:18

I would slap the hell out of you, slap the shit out of me.

Speaker 2: 20:21

We got to get it Like Slap the entire hell out of you. You just pressing any button over there.

Speaker 3: 20:27

I know, we're trying to get them all. It's just me.

Speaker 2: 20:29

And and so y'all Missing said a lot about me. I'm going to play the whole clip.

Speaker 3: 20:35

Go for it.

Speaker 2: 20:35

Because I actually have a lot to say to Amala, because Amala has said a lot about me in these last two years and I think there are some things I'm going to address for the first time here on the Transparency Podcast show that I have not addressed in the last two years that she and I have been debating you guys are actually dating.

Speaker 3: 20:53

No, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 2: 20:55

April F's. She could never, she could never. And so let's all hear y'all what Miss Thing had to say about me. Let's hit the road.

Speaker 4: 21:04

So Michael Knowles was featured on Jubilee's Surrounded series, where he went head to head with 25 LGBTQIA plus activists, and, of course, he brought up the issue of transgenderism and trans ideology, as he has a now infamous quote about transgenderism. And he actually went head to head with three trans individuals, one of whom we recognize on this channel. So I figured no better day than today to react to Michael Knowles going head to head with these individuals. So let's get right into it.

Speaker 6: 21:31

My next claim is that transgenderism should be eradicated from public life entirely.

Speaker 4: 21:39

Here come the Nazi allegations you want to eradicate people.

Speaker 1: 21:43

He is one.

Speaker 2: 21:44

Yeah, fucking acknowledges he's a Nazi. I understand that, yeah.

Speaker 3: 21:49

Literally just.

Speaker 2: 21:52

You see all of us face. They hate when I come, they hate when I'm there. I see that.

Speaker 1: 21:56

I think of the fan edit. She heard her as powerhouse the blossom.

Speaker 2: 22:02

Go ahead. I want to know.

Speaker 4: 22:05

Go ahead. I want to know you came to the chat.

Speaker 3: 22:08

Amala, you know you love her.

Speaker 4: 22:10

The argument, and of course we know Blossom on this channel, because on this channel, because you're a fan at this point, okay blossom brings problems everywhere she he goes and is always trying to start drama and tell some lies. If you guys can go check out our previous videos on blossom and the drama that took place on this channel if you want to know more. But I digress, let's get into these arguments your ideology around transgenderism, something that doesn't exist.

Speaker 2: 22:34

It just sounds more like conservative propaganda. So I kind of want to know a little bit more about what you're trying to communicate.

Speaker 6: 22:40

Okay, I think for all of history, everywhere, people have understood the human person to have something to do with his body. So, like your body has something to do with who you are. Now there is an alternative view, which is called Gnosticism. It's a view that our bodies don't really have. So, to be clear, that is not true.

Speaker 2: 22:59

I've looked it up myself. I have no connection. He lied about this.

Speaker 6: 23:04

Bodies, and I see in the transgender ideology a kind of Gnosticism that says that you could look like a man, you could have a man's genetics, you're going to have a man's genitals, you could have have a man's everything, but if you feel on some deep level you are really a woman and I don't think that's. He knew way too much about leather stuff. The social effects of that are really bad because it leads to the uh, depriving women of their legitimate rights. In some cases it leads to rapes, notably in the last few years, and it also leads to women losing their sports competitions.

Speaker 2: 23:36

and there's, I see an uncomfortable face in fifth place that is a complete lie, amala, because you're just as dumb as he is. That's a complete lie. No, don't stop it. Don't stop it. I want, I want to play this out.

Speaker 6: 23:48

I have a lot to say about this, so it's bad for everyone and it's not grounded in reality oh, I don't even think you understand what you say.

Speaker 2: 23:55

sometimes I don't think you even understand what you say because when we talk about these rape cases of women in the restroom, they're coming from cis men like you. No no that's not true.

Speaker 6: 24:04

Do not interrupt a black woman when she's speaking.

Speaker 3: 24:06

I'm just trying to correct you Do not interrupt a black woman when she's speaking. I would never interrupt a black woman. Woman, oh no, our clip got tiny.

Speaker 2: 24:14

it still counts, okay, as a trans man, size doesn't matter you are going around, you're spewing that rhetoric, weaponizing this rhetoric against trans people. We, as trans people, exist. We are one percent of the population and there is a lot of power in the trans identity. Because you are sitting here spewing something to me that doesn't really?

Speaker 6: 24:36

exist. I'm not spewing anything, I'm just stating facts.

Speaker 2: 24:37

I have lived experience. You don't and you never will.

Speaker 4: 24:41

But I mean, I would OK, we really got off the topic here, because the topic was women being raped by transgender identifying individuals.

Speaker 2: 24:50

That was not the topic.

Speaker 4: 24:51

That was not the topic.

Speaker 2: 24:52

Thank you for saying that she's a liar and a drifter.

Speaker 4: 24:55

We can go through a litany of stories of transgender identifying individuals assaulting women and young girls. A litany, oh, hold on, check this out, please. You can check out her X feed if you want to find story after story.

Speaker 3: 25:07

We've covered on this channel different stories Track all that, but not any of these cis men. All that, but not any of these cis men.

Speaker 4: 25:12

Attacking women and men. If you want to look up one story just right now by going on Google, type in the name Hannah Tubbs. Okay, stop it right there.

Speaker 2: 25:22

Okay, so I wanted all that to play out for a specific reason, okay, so the case that she's talking about apparently this individual did sexually assault a 10-year-old in the bathroom. However, they transitioned later, so it was after. So the transition and the name change and everything happened after I was just reading about it and what it was was they were a juvenile at the time and so so what like 16 or something?

Speaker 2: 25:54

Yeah, but they just got convicted of this at age 28, a few years back, and so they decided to charge them as a juvenile, not as an adult. Now I do have a rebuttal to that. If we're going to talk, if that's going to be Amala's talking point, let's talk about the cis women who have had sex with underage boys while teaching them in school. I actually have a case right here, and it was actually a Lifetime movie about it. Let me refresh some memories right here, shit.

Speaker 3: 26:22

I can't even say too much, honey, you already know. I can't even say too much. I went to sleepaway camp. Let's just say that.

Speaker 2: 26:26

That's who I'm talking about. You better talk about it. Come on, we about to get it with miss amala. Let's, let's get into it. Should I really talk about?

Speaker 3: 26:42

blossom I can tell you as a very presently queer young person.

Speaker 2: 26:43

There was a lot of older women that came after me. Oh yeah, 100, I believe you. That were way too, and we're talking about mary k. How do you pronounce her last? Name letourneau letourneau yeah, yeah, so she was the one that had sex with her her sixth grade student and actually had kids with them later on it was a subject of the movie called.

Speaker 1: 26:56

All-American Girl when he was in high school, with her yeah.

Speaker 2: 27:00

And then she passed away a few years ago. And so what Amala is trying to say, in my opinion, is you're trying to weaponize an entire group of people like trans women for this one story, but are we not weaponizing cis women for her story? No, that's what I'm not understanding. We're not doing that. And so for you, amala, to sit up there and try to weaponize a group of people who had nothing to do with that, yeah at all who will also say boys will be boys for cis men when this stuff happens, or you know what?

Speaker 3: 27:29

oh, it's not that big of a deal. But when trans people which also another point it still wasn't a trans person Technically, if we're going to play the technicality and the semantics that they love to play the semantics of it is, this person did this as a minor pre-transition, right? So technically, in that identity they were a cis person doing this. And now you've taken that narrative to twist it Just so again you can once again create this one more statistic because you guys reach every which way on the internet to find the one time it happens.

Speaker 3: 28:03

But you have thousands, hundreds of millions of cases of rape from cisgender men. And again, most people know my case, my, you know, I'm going to say suspect in my case, with DNA found and everything that happened to me, blossom. You know the whole story, right, I had to change my employment and move and my whole life and lost more than I'm even ready to talk about on the podcast yet. But, right, and the way that especially sexual violence happens from cisgender men and the way the system is set up for them to just basically get away with it because, even if I'm sorry, scarlett- Please keep continuing.

Speaker 5: 28:54

I'm fine. You need to share your story.

Speaker 3: 29:00

I've told it a lot and I so I'm a little numb to it at a certain point, because I've used it to help people, empower them. With the activism that I've done, I've literally changed laws for this, but, like what happened to me, I was able to change all that stuff my personal justice. That person got to live their life and is living their life and walking on the streets and and and didn't just harm me, harmed another person who killed themselves. There was so much in my case that I never got justice part of the reason why I even started this podcast, because I feel like I lost my voice through all of the struggle that I went through. Um, and it was part of my healing process and that's why I you know, even though we made the joke in the beginning blossom. I really do love you and I love our partnership and the things we've been through together, like, oh I love.

Speaker 2: 29:46

Oh, you already know I love you.

Speaker 3: 29:48

I, I genuinely love you from the bottom of my heart what amala is doing is amazing is is is like as someone who's actually like, and not only that, like when my story popped off, everybody's story of what happened to them in in the areas they came to me flooding, and there's so many stories of sexual violence and majority of those stories are cis gender men. Gay or straight doesn't matter, it's cis gender men that are doing this and there's no energy. It's like you say you care about women's sports but you can't name the top five basketball players.

Speaker 2: 30:21

She can never give reputable resources. If you ever listen to Amla's videos, I've called her out many times of this and I'm a firm believer. That's why she had me on her podcast with Buck Angel, because I called her out about not having reputable resources. I'm sorry, jk Rowling, giving opinion pieces is not reputable Girl, please. I tried to google. I can't these cases that she speaks so much about. I couldn't find nothing. The whole thing michael was telling me about the narcissist, whatever it's, something dealing with plants and photosynthesis, with the venus fly trap I saw nothing on what he was saying and almost like that's that's. That's not a lie, because y'all like to grift.

Speaker 3: 31:02

Because she's not going to check her.

Speaker 2: 31:03

She's not going to check anything, and the people that follow her, that love her and support her or whatever like that, they fall for it and that's on them.

Speaker 3: 31:11

But sometimes that plays to their advantage because, like Scarlett said, she's experienced the left harming her.

Speaker 5: 31:16

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 31:16

So it's like where's the nuance? Where do we find, how do we actually support people that are in these spaces? Because a lot of these people are like, oh, I care about a survivor, I care about this. You know, I had reached out to so many people influencers back when I was. Nobody gave a shit until I really reached a certain threshold, and even then they were still like oh, good job.

Speaker 3: 31:38

You know, and there was not the resources and, surprisingly, people that are extremely problematic, that would get canceled on the internet, like I was telling scarlet before we were shooting, were some of the most helpful people to me and reached out to me and checked up on me and made sure I was okay, you know. So it's like we have to create a nuance and a space for people to grow and have conversation, because I understand mistakes can be made, like no trans person is perfect. Let's be 100% real and that's why I understand why you were giving that to Michael when you had that, because you were trying to in a debate. You're trying to concede in some sense so that there is a middle ground, so you reach a point of communication where you guys understand each other. But with this Jubilee production and it happens quite often is like they clip, farm it and then you get pasted. As you know this person who thinks this way. You don't know what two-spirit is, even though that's your near-lived experience.

Speaker 3: 32:29

Blossom is the angry black woman, every chance that they can get and it's like how many times are you going to see the conversation around trans people and not just get tired Like we've got? And I know it's cliche, I know Laverne Cox said it, but I'm going to say it again. I've already said it before we are focusing on the wrong 1%.

Speaker 1: 32:48

No, and I even going back to what you said about Mary Letourneau, I at my high school there was a teacher that was having sex with an underage student. Her daughter was actually her, his daughter was actually her, his boyfriend so they were together. It was so fucked. So it's not like this is just like a one time. And there was another teacher at a high school near me that did the same thing and they were both women. So like it isn't just trans people and it's not just men either.

Speaker 1: 33:12

Yeah, so I don't like the over generalization of like, oh, it's just trans people that are going out. Girl, when I go to the bathroom, I'm walking in to walk out. I need to pee. Get me out of there, like god.

Speaker 2: 33:25

It's so frustrating right, but people like Amla don't want to have a genuine conversation. Yeah, right, you know. And so there was one more piece and I really wanted to react and this one may be a little bit longer because I have a lot to say because she wanted to know what's the difference between a man and a trans woman, and so we're going to.

Speaker 5: 33:46

There's a lot of differences. Can we touch on the last subject before you go?

Speaker 2: 33:48

there. Yeah, go for it, go for it.

Speaker 5: 33:50

So the one thing that I thought was kind of interesting was like Blair White reacted to me and like she said I looked over glazed. And like what she said, you looked over glazed. Yeah, she said like my brain looked calcified or something, but I wanted to touch on that.

Speaker 2: 34:03

Get out of here. That's her upper top lip move. I have not seen Blur White's upper top lip move, in my opinion, in so long.

Speaker 5: 34:12

How dare she come for you? Absolutely not. There was a reason for that. And like, going back to like your story, I had a similar experience Like when I was a minor. I was fiercely sexually assaulted. I had a similar experience Like when I was a minor. I was fiercely sexually assaulted and nobody cared because I was a boy. And they were like that doesn't happen to boys and like men don't do that and like that was. You know, it was a Christian person, and so I was like they don't do that. And so when I was having that conversation with Michael, I was very like not present because of the way he was downplaying like the seriousness of sexual assault. Yeah, I was like, yeah, I'm like you can see how I'm reacting to it now. I'm like if I were to continue to like show any emotion with him, I would have had the same reaction.

Speaker 3: 34:50

Yeah, you would have pulled a.

Speaker 1: 34:53

Ben Shapiro.

Speaker 5: 34:54

Nice to meet you I loved that.

Speaker 1: 34:56

That was my favorite. But I also experienced sexual abuse at the hands of a director and I wasn't even looked at, even though I was showing clear signs that I was being um abused. Yeah, nobody cared because I was a little boy and I was 16. So they're like oh, no, little boys can, at 16, are gonna get assaulted and not talk about it, and it very much so does happen.

Speaker 3: 35:16

Yeah, like, yeah, so you were seeing all of you guys are, oh my gosh I don't even fit the male gaze, so they don't think that like I could even be assaulted. They're just like, oh, that's a dyke woman, like that's how they see me, and they're like who would want to have sex with that?

Speaker 2: 35:30

but like yeah, check my ds, all right. So let's squeeze this in really quickly, y'all, because I got one more thing. Oh no, we got plenty of time.

Speaker 3: 35:37

make sure I paid extra for a long episode today. Don't worry, daddy's got you Do we have time. We got hella time. Listen, keep it going, keep it flowing. I like the conversation.

Speaker 2: 35:47

I'm like oh my gosh, y'all have to forgive me today because I'm so anxious to do this. I've been studying, practicing, because it's time to hear my side of the story. So let's just play this last clip from miss ekbu nambi oh, I'm just, I'm just trying to correct.

Speaker 6: 36:06

Well, I would never, I would, I would never interrupt a black woman. Thank, you.

Speaker 4: 36:11

I would never interrupt a black woman. Think about me as a black.

Speaker 3: 36:15

That is your trademark. I love it. I am not a.

Speaker 2: 36:16

It is when they hate it. It's harmful that you are going around. You're spewing that rhetoric, weaponizing this rhetoric against trans people.

Speaker 6: 36:23

Weaponizing facts.

Speaker 2: 36:23

Transgenderism does not exist. We, as trans people exist. We are 1% of the population and there is a lot of power in the trans identity, because you are sitting here spewing something to me that doesn't really exist.

Speaker 6: 36:34

I'm not spewing anything, I'm just stating facts plainly, I have lived experience.

Speaker 2: 36:37

You don't, you don't and you never will, but I mean I would, I would. Okay, we really got off the top okay, this is where we did. I push the same button again you might have pushed the same by transgender identifying individuals you're supposed to hit three.

Speaker 4: 36:48

That's not true. In fact it is. Oh, it is three who are raping these women. Okay, now you can go through a litany of stories of transgender identifying individuals assaulting women and young girls. Jk Rowling has done extensive work on this topic. You can check out her X feed if you want to find story after story.

Speaker 3: 37:06

Fictional writer.

Speaker 4: 37:07

All different stories of transgender, identifying individuals, attacking women and men. Someone who writes about wands is your point of reference, just right now by going on Google, type in the name Hannah Tubbs.

Speaker 3: 37:18

Pretty much just stole Star Wars with wands.

Speaker 4: 37:19

A male who assaulted a young girl, a little girl, sexually assaulted. That little girl went on to identify as transgender. Has the whole name changed to?

Speaker 1: 37:30

Hannah.

Speaker 4: 37:30

So we can substantiate these claims. Now Blossom is going to make the argument that there are cis men who are weaponizing the trans identity in order to assault women, and I in no way deny that that is a fact that there are, men may actually agree on oh, look at that.

Speaker 3: 37:44

You actually one thing you convinced her. Look, she's changing watch, she's going to be on the podcast and we're all going to be hugging once it's in the future thing again between a cis man and a transgender woman even blair white.

Speaker 4: 37:55

She's going to come to the podcast to watch what the difference is between those two individuals, and you can't give me a difference because let's pause it. I do. If you've gone through the medical, stop it that's where I wanted to do that at.

Speaker 2: 38:06

yeah, no, so I actually can appreciate amla for saying this. You know there are many differences between trans women and cisgender men. One really has to do with gender identity and let's be very clear cis men do not have a gender identity problem with With trans women. There is an incongruency of some sort, and so trans women depending on what that looks like transition off of that. Now, some trans women transition physically, some just do it emotionally, spiritually, mentally, like. There are so many different ways of doing that and we have to remember the transgender community is on a spectrum.

Speaker 2: 38:43

There's so many different things, and I find it crazy that you would even ask me that, amala, when you're a debater yourself and you can't even look up that information. There are so many reputable resources, which I'm actually going to give you some that talks about gender identity. One reputable resource, in my humble opinion, is the 2012 book Introduction to Behavioral Science and Medicine that says that, with exceptions, gender identity develops surprisingly rapidly in early childhood years and, in the majority of instances, appear to become at least partially irreversible by the age of three and four.

Speaker 2: 39:19

Drop the fact, even the National Public Institute of Health talks about gender identity, and so there's a lot of reputable resources for gender identity, and I think what you try to do is you want to try to look at things from a practical point of view. All y'all want to talk about is biological sex, but let's also talk about the women, because I think in your because we didn't watch the whole video and I kind of wish we did I love you to death, but amala talked about when you were doing this part, or what or whatnot. They were talking about michael, no saying oh, you can tell a trans woman when you see one, absolutely not.

Speaker 2: 39:55

That's not necessarily true, because that's why ben shapiro said bro and here's the thing some cis women like amala can experience transphobia the same way we can, because when we talk about genetics I've talked about this on pierce morgan everybody act like they don't want to hear me. There are some cis women amani, khalif naturally have higher testosterone levels, like her and who had to experience that transphobia and we're seeing videos of cis women being accused of being trans in the bathroom- Transvestigated.

Speaker 2: 40:24

And being attacked and harassed because of what Amala and Michael Knowles and Blair White and Chuck Angel are pushing on the internet. In our humble opinion, like cis, women are being highly affected by that, and followed by men.

Speaker 5: 40:40

Security, like following them into the women's press room.

Speaker 3: 40:43

Conversations are cumulative, and that's the thing that these folks don't quite understand is that they're creating the narrative on the internet and it's like we as a human society, conversations are 100% cumulative. So if we're all having this conversation and there's a bunch of people that are creating this narrative.

Speaker 3: 41:01

Of course it's going to start creating this idea. It's like I see a red car. You're going to start always seeing a red car if you're always looking for a red car. It's that whole theory and it's like you're perpetuating that to then create a narrative about trans people, while the percentage of trans people to even exist is still 1%. Meanwhile, you have an entire huge system set up for all of these other people to cause abuse and you're just silent on it and, if anything, you find ways to co-sign it in ways and be like, oh again, not so bad, not so hard, or I can see how that happened, or this, that and the other, but you don't have that grace for trans people. Check out the loophole.

Speaker 2: 41:42

I'm going to tell you what Amala and them are doing. They're trying to take trans people who don't transition physically but more socially, mentally and other things, and trying to stick cis men raping people and all of a sudden identifying as trans afterwards into that and trying to make a talking point. I've heard it with Michael Knowles, I've heard it with Blair and I'm like okay, so I'm catching the loopholes. Now I'm catching what y'all are trying to do and that's not okay. A lot of these cis men are doing it just because they're despicable and disgusting, but it's not coming from trans women. Trans women are an identity and this whole thing around transgenderism being an ideology how are we an ideology when we're sitting right here in front of you? That makes no sense. In front of you. That makes no sense, and Michael and Amala are too dumb in my opinion to see it.

Speaker 1: 42:22

I was trying to explain it in my debate too. I was trying to explain it. Yes, you were Like hello, I have lived experience. I'm sitting in front of you as a trans woman. I have that experience. You cannot sit here and tell me that it's just an ideology. What happens to the woman?

Speaker 2: 42:38

Yeah, what does he think? And here's the thing Amala and Michael.

Speaker 3: 42:41

You're just going to disappear.

Speaker 2: 42:42

They play off of trans issues. They play off of making content and debates on trans issues, issues that they don't even exist, I'm sorry, issues that they don't even live. They do not live these experiences and, amala, grifts of trans issues all the time and I'm going to check you issues all the time and I'm going to check you because we need to really talk about this whole thing. With me appearing on the podcast with Buck Angel, this is the part I've never addressed in two years.

Speaker 3: 43:09

Now, as y'all know, Get the tea.

Speaker 2: 43:11

It's hot, let's get ready, yeah, so my first Jubilee debate was called trans women versus conservative women. That's where I met Amala and I've met other people there, and so a lot was edited out, but me and Amala were the ones going back and forth, like I have to admit, like in that debate I thought she was really good. You know what I mean. To keep up with me.

Speaker 2: 43:29

I thought we were just having yeah, we were sparring pretty well and she worked at this particular platform, which we will not name, or whatnot, and so, cause I didn't know who she was, and so in that video I asked, do you have any resources? Because she was talking about bone density and she tried to reverse the question back to me. She was like do you know the amount of bone density? Da-da-da-da-da. And I was just like no, I don't, because I'm not going to listen to that, because it's not real and it's not true, because everybody has different body chemistry. Yeah, I know 100%. And you don't know somebody's chromosomal account, somebody's bone density level, the size of somebody's heart and lungs.

Speaker 3: 44:07

Yeah, my feet are bigger than Blossom's actually. Yeah, they actually are. I'm a size 14 in men's and she's like damn.

Speaker 2: 44:11

But conservatives play off of that talking point and they've tried to make it into something, and so that was that. Now Amala, at the end of that episode, asked me verbally if I would come on her podcast with other trans women. I thought it was okay because we had just debated with other trans women, and I want you to understand something this was my first debate. That debate that we're talking about was my first debate. Technically, this was my second debate, but I don't include this in my accounts of debates and so I came there and so I was like, let me just be open, honest. We had a good conversation on set. Me and the ladies got along why not?

Speaker 2: 44:49

So a couple of days before, amala sends me a text message saying that Buck was going to be on there Now for me, I got upset because I was just like these aren't the trans women that you verbally told me. However, this is what she keeps villainizing me for and criminalizing me for. I did say okay, I'm still going to come, even though it was not originally what she said, and you have to remember I'm a new debater at this time. I wanted to be kind, I wanted to be nice. I said okay, but that still does not take away from the fact that you told me verbally that it was going to be other women, trans women, on your podcast.

Speaker 2: 45:31

And Amala, you know you said it. You said it verbally to me. So while you're lying to your base, won't you actually tell them the truth? It does not take away the text message about buck, does not take away from what you told me verbally about it. So we get to the podcast and we I was greeted okay, she was bootlicking the Buck Angel. They were worshiping Buck Angel like nobody's business. But that was my first time meeting him and, ironically, me and Buck were great on set. We did not argue. It wasn't no snootiness or whatever. So for us to kind of be mortal enemies after it is what it is Because he's two-faced.

Speaker 3: 46:11

Because he went behind your back. Exactly he's very two-faced.

Speaker 2: 46:18

What did he do? Uh, oh gosh, so it was funny because I didn't catch this to like this uh, the debate with blair that we did so when we were on set. Um, I did remind him that he called a black trans woman a monkey yeah, ashley mary preston, yeah, yeah, um, and so I didn't mention the name there, but he pretty much got canceled after that.

Speaker 3: 46:38

But he got, so canceled he's like what? That is a lie that he came to a protest and everybody's like why the hell are you here? And he. They made him leave because they were.

Speaker 2: 46:47

Yeah, it was bad yeah, so he, he's like in person community, not online like real life yeah, he's a compulsive liar and being there with on that set with amala.

Speaker 2: 46:56

It's funny because amala made this slick comment about um, her producer being there by the computer in case she needed to look up anything, because it was a jab at me for telling her where are your sources for what you're saying? Because I wanted to look up these sources. Like I'm a debater, I'm a researcher. If you're gonna spew statistics and spew things to me, you should be able to tell me where you're getting it from. Amla never does that, buck Angel never does that, nor Blair White does that.

Speaker 3: 47:22

Jubilee doesn't even do it Realize. We don't know until it's produced. I need to know.

Speaker 2: 47:26

That's how I found out that Michael Knowles was spewing bullshit to me in a debate, and so we debated. That was that. I am still entitled to my personal experience and my personal feelings. Now, the fact that Amla does not like that and calls it lying, that's on her, and you know, I want to say something else to Amla and I'm going to wrap this up. I'm going to truly wrap this up.

Speaker 3: 47:49

No, feel free, because she's been coming for you for a few months.

Speaker 2: 47:51

Yeah, because here's the thing. She was on Piers Morgan morgan um a while ago and they were talking about dei um. I think she was on her with mark lamont and everything or whatever, and amala was talking about dei needs to die. Well, amala, check this, clap back. Weren't you the dei higher at a certain platform? Before they candace owens your ass, damn before they candace owens you out. And now you're at home making videos damn making your content from videos because you had a producer there, the white guy. Where is he?

Speaker 3: 48:21

wait, and it's a verb now yeah, they can.

Speaker 2: 48:25

This owns you there because they wanted to remind you. You are still in fear. You are deemed inferior as a black person. Sometimes she's identified as a black person. Sometimes she's identified as a mixed person. Other times she's identified as a black person and she's entitled to that.

Speaker 2: 48:40

But here's the thing, and we talk so much about who was assigned what at birth. Just like Amla cannot help that she has a black father and a white mother, that's assigned to her, trans people cannot help what they were assigned before, the incongruency. And so this whole thing about biology, biology, biology again, y'all don't want to talk about genetics, like y'all. Y'all don't want to do any of these things. But and let me also make this clear she also said this, I think, about all of us. She said no matter how much hormones you take, the surgeries you have, you will never be a woman. Let me check you on that. Let me make it very clear the amount of hormones and amount that I do to my body to transition is not a threat to cis women and it's none of your damn business. I am not out here trying to be a threat to cis women because I want to live my life in transition. I am not out here trying to take up anything from anybody. I'm not trying to take up space from anyone, since women deserve a seat at the table as well as trans women. Trans women are a type of women. Trans is adjective okay, trans is an adjective and it describes the type of woman that it is, and so this whole ideology that y'all are trying to spew is crazy to me.

Speaker 2: 49:55

All I saw online in your video was jealousy. I saw a lot of projection and I feel like you feel threatened by trans women, and that's not on us, that falls on you. I think those braids you had in your hair are screwed in a little too tight to your brain. To be quite honest with you and I say that with love and respect I'm you and I say that with love and respect. I'm gonna actually say that with love and respect here, because the thing is, you never talk about anything else.

Speaker 2: 50:23

All you want to do is grift to trans issues. You will never be a trans woman. You will never, ever in your entire life, be a trans woman or experience what we face. You are in a place of privilege. You are so lucky as a cis woman that you don't have to go through the harassment and the discrimination and the violence that we, as trans people, go through. It doesn't matter if you're a trans man or a trans woman or a non-binary person. You are in a place of privilege where you can sit behind your little funky camera and say these things about trans people. But the reality of it is I cleared you in the first debate. I annihilated you and destroyed you in the first debate in my humble opinion, and you've never been able to get over it. But after this, I'm done with you. I pay you to dust Dust and I want you to know that.

Speaker 2: 51:10

And so that is my truth, that is my experience, and I am not backing down from it anymore I wish amala, instead of sending her base to weaponize us in the comments or whatever, how about you actually engage in a respectful dialogue with trans people and not buck angel, not blair white, not a trans conservative, because trans conservatives are oxymoron and those that follow you, I think, are lost in the sauce per usual and cause? Some of those people actually did write to me in the DM. They were talking about you and I in particular, something about us being emotional. Well, here's the thing.

Speaker 3: 51:46

They said we were all emotional. Yeah, Even say that, but but but what's?

Speaker 2: 51:50

but here's the thing. What's wrong with being emotional when you have an administration that's attacking trans people, that's sitting up there trying to eradicate trans people by saying that on our passports you can only be male or female? There is nothing wrong with showing emotion. A lot of y'all don't have the emotional capacity and the emotional intelligence. That's the problem here.

Speaker 1: 52:10

It's powerful to be able to express emotion and even at time like at times empathy within a conversation to somebody that doesn't deserve it. I was. I at some point just kind of put my hands down with michael and was free of that, or even like I saw a bunch like the one that really got me was chloe cole she had a lot to say about me on twitter did.

Speaker 3: 52:33

Did she really and?

Speaker 2: 52:34

she did. Now, who was this?

Speaker 1: 52:35

She's a very, very, very prominent detransitioner. That was mentioned in my debate with Michael Knowles.

Speaker 2: 52:41

Conservative propaganda.

Speaker 3: 52:42

Detransitioners are not real, didn't she like testify? They're conservative propaganda. Did she testify? That makes like a whole bunch of money.

Speaker 1: 52:47

So essentially she has come from what I saw, because I didn't know who she was before it was told to me, um, in the debate. She is somebody who was transitioned as a minor, had surgeries as a minor and obviously was a product from. She clearly wasn't trans and I don't feel that detransitioners represent the trans community they don't.

Speaker 2: 53:12

And here's the thing, though. Minors can't have surgeries.

Speaker 1: 53:15

You have to be a, she has claimed that she got a her breasts removed as a at what age? But at what age? I I don't know exactly what age, but I know that she claimed she was a minor because a minor is such a spectrum it is well yeah, because they'll cut it off at 16. I'm thinking it was 16. Okay, so it just it was. What'd you say?

Speaker 3: 53:37

I said it's usually 16, but it's not just like oh, I want surgery, you don't have to have a parent and guardian sign off on it, and then it's a whole process which conservatives never mention them the mental evaluation that we have to have, the physical evaluation and the the doctors coming in and psychiatrists coming in, therapists coming in saying are you sure this is what?

Speaker 2: 53:55

you want to do Especially.

Speaker 1: 53:58

That was like Kim Petras' surgeon was even like.

Speaker 5: 54:00

I didn't want to operate on her until I talked to her and I was like, oh, she has this fierce track record of being trans. Like it's fine. And she's so happy right now, so like that's how it worked.

Speaker 3: 54:22

And I think the transitioners are nothing more than conservative propaganda that Blair and Buck have actually tried to amplify. I don't know, I just I will tell you I actually, uh, I'm gonna get them on the podcast, it's.

Speaker 1: 54:24

I've been talking to some detransitioners that are actually positive, they're not always negative. There's a few out there. There's a group there is like and like. They are supportive but, people like Chloe Cole, who do come from like a very right link. She she's friends with Michael.

Speaker 3: 54:36

Knowles. It feels like it's tell me how do they all know each other? So that's like that's the thing people are not noticing.

Speaker 1: 54:43

It's like funny how he was talking about how they were all together the night before in my debate. It's like, oh so what are you guys doing? Like, what were you planning?

Speaker 3: 54:50

What's the key.

Speaker 6: 54:50

Yeah, what's the?

Speaker 1: 54:51

key. So it just was very upsetting to me because I one I have never, ever before Jubilee, spoken about anything to do with detransitioners and so to have somebody weaponize their experience against me, who has been experiencing this like guys I'm talking like was a child and was expressing that I was a girl Like you, don't get to come at me because you had your bad experience. That has nothing to do with mine or yours. However, what was it? 20? 20 years, seven years, it's like that, I'm sorry. Like just because I was the one that got up there and had the rage, bait, click shit that you had got were able to use to pay your right there yeah, further your platform.

Speaker 3: 55:34

Doesn't mean you're right on YouTube I'm done.

Speaker 1: 55:37

It just was really frustrating.

Speaker 3: 55:39

You're welcome, Amala, by the way.

Speaker 1: 55:41

So it just was a lot they get paid for a few days?

Speaker 2: 55:44

No for sure. I mean Blair White platform.

Speaker 3: 55:47

Without us, they wouldn't have content.

Speaker 2: 55:49

Fuck Angel and Blair's YouTube numbers are tanking. I noticed that too.

Speaker 3: 55:56

Amala's is too her tiktok. She doesn't make content as much anymore.

Speaker 1: 55:57

I couldn't even find her tiktok. I was going to go find it and it couldn't. I couldn't find anything. It all just looked like fan pages yeah, fan page girl.

Speaker 3: 56:04

So, scarlet, you've been a little quiet over there. I have a question. Okay, how do you feel in hindsight, even though the michael noel situation was interesting, uh, would you do it again?

Speaker 5: 56:18

no, no baby I would never I would never work for jubilee again. Um, I talked to like three or four producers about my experience and the runaround was just not very good for me like what the answer they?

Speaker 2: 56:32

gave and also, just like the left's reaction, I was like, baby, you don't need it, then you don't need it like if this is how you're gonna more about that, because several what's been happening on the left, because I'm personally missing this, so what's yeah?

Speaker 3: 56:46

well, harry sisson's getting canceled, and I might be getting canceled too.

Speaker 2: 56:49

I don't know well, they can't counsel me because I'm in syndication.

Speaker 5: 56:53

They basically were so mad and like saying that like I represented the trans community as like a fool, pretty much by going on Jubilee and like I we kind of talked about it a little bit how like there's so many different types of trans people and I feel like my type of trans was like different from either of yours, which isn't a bad thing, but like that's why I wanted to get into it, because I'm so tired of like, when people think of me and see me, they're like, oh, you're like Blair White and I get it all the time. Oh, do you know Blair White? Do you know Brandy? I'm like no, baby, I'm not like that at all. Like please, don't like make that connection. And so that was why I wanted to get into activism.

Speaker 5: 57:30

Because I'm like I'm tired of going out in public and like people assuming I'm just some conservative, like trans person, because I fit their idea of beauty or whatever they're looking for, and that a lot of that has to do with living in Ohio, like it's being possible in Ohio is like you're to go like all the girls any any way to get past. Well, we're going to go for it, because you are so stigmatized and so just like fucked around in public for no reason. My first job I had, um, I barely could even get it and somebody was like oh, you're a tranny huh. Like literally five seconds into work and I was like, um, they always clock it like I guess diva, like okay, shut the fuck up like employment I think is the hardest place to not get clocked.

Speaker 3: 58:13

It's like fuck, I have to work with this person, or even like when kids come in and then they're like, hi, what are?

Speaker 2: 58:18

you, I'm like ah. I get so nervous. I'll never forget I was in Applebee's in Long Beach and it was a bunch of kids having a birthday party right behind me, and so when I got up, all the kids went oh, she's tired, and before they started clocking tea I had to hurry up and get up out of there. I was like, let me go get up out of here. They're going to start clocking the tea Stop.

Speaker 1: 58:39

No, they will. They're the first ones. And it's ruthless. It's like what Worst than any conservative I've ever met in my life.

Speaker 5: 58:47

I'm like the day before my FFS thought I was looking so picky. I had heels on. I was like we're about to get searched tomorrow. Like, yes, got me, got me so good. I'm so shocked. The mom was fierce, though she was like Timmy, shut up girl Like be quiet.

Speaker 2: 59:05

Oh my gosh. So because I know we're going to wrap up things, so've been open about it on your Instagram.

Speaker 5: 59:18

Talk to us about what's going on and how people can support you. Yeah, so I lived in Ohio. I was from Ohio and my chosen family moved down to LA a couple years back and I had a housing crisis two of them actually in Ohio and I was just sleeping from friends to friends, trying to make it work and going to my job, and nothing was really working out for me. So I texted my mom and I was just like sleeping from friends to friends, like trying to make it work and like going to my job, and it just nothing was really like working out for me. So I texted my mom and I was like what do I do? And she was like you can come live with us. So I was supposed to come down here eventually, but I'm just here so early.

Speaker 5: 59:47

And the point of like, when I was homeless, I racked up huge amounts of debt because I was trying to stay in Ohio and like keep my job. I had a really, really good job. It was like the best job I've ever had. It was practically salaried, like I'd never gotten an opportunity like that before. And then, you know, I moved here and like I could not get anything. I'm like. I've worked for several companies and I was like, can I just have a referral? Like whatever. I couldn't get anything. And so I've like been dabbling with, like hustling and just like trying to find any way to get anything. Um, and it lucked out that one of my old managers finally made a call for me and she was like girl, like come back and work for this company. And so I finally got something that works.

Speaker 5: 1:00:29

And then before that I did have a job, but like they cut my hours to five hours a week and I was driving. It was like what'd you say? I said what the fuck? Yeah, and so it was like a part-time job and it was good at first and I was driving like an hour to get to work and like I serviced several stores and it was a great place to work, like I really loved it. But they just like couldn't keep clients an hour. Like that's literally my gas. You know what I?

Speaker 2: 1:00:55

mean yeah, and you put up a GoFundMe.

Speaker 5: 1:00:57

Yeah, I do.

Speaker 2: 1:00:58

It's on your IG, right? So y'all, if you're on IG, please go to Scarlett's IG page and donate to her GoFundMe, please. Helping a trans person is the greatest gift that you can give anyone, and so we definitely want you to become housed and we definitely want you safe and so y'all, anybody that's watching this, please like, go and donate to Scarlett like she's a wonderful also sugar baby available.

Speaker 3: 1:01:24

Link in bio for Scarlett. You know Shane as well. You want to send me money? Venmo's in bio. No, I did get offered $5,000 this week why you didn't take it. We live in listen, I'll tell you this we're in California $5,000 this week why you didn't take it. We live in. Listen, I'll tell you this. We're in California. My wife said to take it. I might, who knows, we'll find out. This is why I love his wife.

Speaker 2: 1:01:45

Shout out to Nicole Hi, nicole, sweetie, how are you? Hey, baby, I always say this to Shay she's the more reasonable one, she's the more reasonable one.

Speaker 3: 1:01:55

She's the more reasonable one. What did you say earlier off set about that kiss?

Speaker 2: 1:02:00

Oh yeah, so me and Shay were coming up with a skit, and Nicole already knows it. I'm going to tell my man about it because I have a partner too, and so my man, my man, my man, my man. And so Shay, I think, kissed me on the jaw and I was just like, oh my God, I just started laughing and kicking. I was like, oh my God, I see why Nicole has been around for 20 years. I see exactly why, In my head, we're like besties and so I'm just like oh.

Speaker 2: 1:02:33

I got a kiss from my best friend.

Speaker 3: 1:02:34

It was so nice and so kind. You felt the bass in that kiss, don't you?

Speaker 2: 1:02:37

Yeah, I was just like. Shay is such a hot boy, I understand why the girls crave him and all the things, or whatever.

Speaker 3: 1:02:46

When I get enough followers, more stories will be told, but I just can't tell it yet. Okay.

Speaker 2: 1:02:52

So are we winding down Solomon? I think we are, Are we?

Speaker 3: 1:02:55

done. So are we winding down? Uh solomon? I think we are. I think we're done, I think yeah. There's one more thing I want to ask before we go to uh stassi. I want to ask you first um, what advice, because I'm sure jubilee is going to probably cast maybe somebody else. Uh, what advice would you give that new queer person that's never debated before, so they can go in there and kick ass? What would you tell them to to do for jubilee, especially if they're going to face somebody like michael knolls, because we know how the girls like to tussle over there.

Speaker 1: 1:03:22

So yeah, um, I would just say, like, don't go in with any expectations. I think the way that you and I walked in was very like, great, like not everybody can be blossom like.

Speaker 5: 1:03:36

That's true, that like stance like I.

Speaker 1: 1:03:38

I don't like I. I have a very different delivery than you, yes, a very different delivery than you, and I think it's important to spread awareness to that diversity among trans women and all trans people. Um, but just I, I mean be prepared to like it's easy, like the hate is a lot, and I am open to working with Jubilee. So I don't have anything planned as of yet, but I don't know how open I am to going back and doing like a debate of that type with, like somebody like Michael Knowles ever again.

Speaker 2: 1:04:11

That was a lot, yeah, so absolutely, I think, with me, cause this is something else that came up in all my videos, or whatnot like. Why does jubilee keep bringing me back? A lot of y'all in the comments in our video many people. They were like raise your hands if you want to vote. Blossom out of jubilee. They were over. That video got almost a hundred.

Speaker 2: 1:04:30

It almost got a hundred thousand likes yeah, and so here's the thing I love it that they bring me back, because what it is is I give a defense to the bullshit that these conservatives try to bring at me. It's like you gotta have somebody on the office and the defense in order for it to be a good debate. So I'm the missing piece and I think that's why I was on pierce and, by the way, scarlet was supposed to be on pier with me.

Speaker 1: 1:04:56

But they dropped.

Speaker 2: 1:04:57

for some reason, they dropped her and I wanted to also make sure that I mentioned that I was very pissed but I felt like I handled it very well. You know, riley can kick rocks. She's mad about winning fifth place with a trans woman.

Speaker 3: 1:05:09

She's hooping and hollering crying, four other cis women placed ahead of her. Yeah, exactly, very clear.

Speaker 2: 1:05:14

But but I, I definitely will go back on jubilee because it's attracting more attention from other people, because here's, looked at, our michael noel's video reached out to you and I, and then the project that I'm doing that's coming out, because at the taping, at the time of taping this, it'll be out tomorrow, so and so it's with a prominent celebrity. Um, we debated, but they're watching stuff like this and so for me, jubilee is pushing me more into mainstream, absolutely and I and I love that and the thing is it's kind of like jubilee has the power to be a platform where debaters who just love debating can come together.

Speaker 2: 1:05:55

I feel like they have the capacity and the power to be more truly in the middle, like have the conservative sponsors come in, do their thing, the liberal ones come in and do their thing, because with Sam Seder coming in, the comment section shifted completely.

Speaker 3: 1:06:12

Well, the progressive episode. I was in too, we kicked ass.

Speaker 2: 1:06:15

We fucking kicked ass.

Speaker 3: 1:06:15

And I think this is where I was in too.

Speaker 2: 1:06:16

We kicked ass, we fucking kicked ass, and I think this is where I was trying to communicate this with you. I think Jubilee has a swing audience where the pendulum can swing their way.

Speaker 3: 1:06:24

I think us going on there is affecting it. Yeah, and I do think conservatives tend to put a little bit more resources into them and I think that's what we're picking up on yeah, Because if the left was a little bit more supportive, because, again, like we're problematic with a purpose, that's. That's the famous quote that I said.

Speaker 3: 1:06:41

By the way, you know, make sure, problematic with a purpose, problematic with a purpose and going into that space, I agree with you too, because you know in that progressive episode that I just did. You see, it's so funny that it's like these cis men and they're just like rah, rah, rah, rah, rah, rah, like fucking dogs on each other, and then you just go hey, shane, like, hey Drake, I hear you like him young. Anyways, I had to.

Speaker 3: 1:07:03

It felt like that moment for me because I think that was in part two no, no no, you have to watch part two because that's really I was very channeling Kendrick in that like you can even see me in part one where I'm kind of just like because I'm reading the room the whole time.

Speaker 3: 1:07:17

I wanted you to speak more in part one but I did it on purpose because a a lot of the gentlemen I've had the Ben Shapiro like fame, let's be real like I got a lot of clout of that and there were some new debaters in there and I'm not one like I don't need to be that influencer that's on every single thing. Like people want to put me on 100, but I also like to see all boats rise, so I like to see other people come in. And oliver came in and I heard some of the stuff he was saying and I was like you know what I would actually might prefer a cis man saying this, because it could be more impactful than a trans man. Because people did say in the comments, like I thought shane was a woman, oh, ha ha ha, 25 versus 24. And they kept trying to like read me on on, uh, even like body stuff, and they were like, oh, I would never want his body. First of all, you couldn't have it.

Speaker 2: 1:08:01

Yeah, and I. Here's the thing I did get on. I love my bestie. I did get on him because I was just like you know, two moments can be running concurrently with each other, yeah, and the thing is because of what's happening with the trans community don't ever, ever, silence your voice to give somebody else that space. I think both of y'all should have been able to say what you need to say. Shane has a lot. Shane just has a great heart and great spirit, but the thing is they need to hear it from a trans. I know they need that trans masculine voice and you are the best.

Speaker 3: 1:08:33

Well, I read them in the room. In my opinion, you are the best. Well, I read him. In my opinion, you are definitely I read him in the room represents.

Speaker 2: 1:08:37

You are the best representation and I know that you can always do it and I just I told them this more in privately, like don't you ever silence your voice? I know you want to give up the space I never want to take up too much space.

Speaker 3: 1:08:49

You know what I mean, because men can do that.

Speaker 2: 1:08:51

You know what I mean white so trans, we get that, but in this moment in time, under this administration, you do not know I'm ready to kick ass.

Speaker 2: 1:08:59

I brought you not have to give up your space. Yeah, particularly to a cis man. Yeah, yeah, that I can understand. If it was another trans person, that okay, I understand that. Yeah, but to a cis man, no, you're gonna have more moments than ben shapiro. I've had so many moments. I've done the cnn town hall. I had a moment. Caitlyn jenner was a moment. Uh, this, this pierce morgan, the project, I did like I'm and this is what I'm trying to tell you you're not gonna stay on just one moment no I know that it's to both of y'all too.

Speaker 2: 1:09:29

We're gonna have so many more moments, so go out there, share your voice, show your beauty, your heart, be yourself.

Speaker 3: 1:09:36

Let's all be expressive well, I want to say one more thing, blossom, because just to add to the point, with oliver and I will say this is a trans man on set, both sides, even though there was a fight and everything and all of the things that happened and all the mess, please watch it both, both parts, and try to yeah it's out now.

Speaker 3: 1:09:53

Both. Both parts are out now so you can watch the fight. You can see everything. You can watch my read. You'll see me like kind of in the background, just kind of sitting there like a mob boss, watching these guys say the most problematic shit and just making faces at them.

Speaker 3: 1:10:07

In that episode I was able to point out the hypocrisy that a lot of these traditional men are not even fulfilling the promises that they're making traditional women, like if you've made an agreement as a man, hey, I want you to be traditional, you stay home, you raise the kids, I take care of the finances. And the point that they were making was like well, if the finances aren't doing so, well, actually, uh, you know what she needs to step up. So it creates a space for a lack of accountability for men and to to me, as I've gotten deeper and deeper into this red pill you know content to learn how it works. I'm trying to deconstruct it and help guide these guys. In the same way, hasan is trying to bring them back. Um, I've really learned.

Speaker 3: 1:10:48

Like what was that? There's a quote from white lotus, don't mean to quote it, but like it was really recent. It's like these men are fighting for the rights to be babies, because the only person on this planet who can go and do things and not be accountable and be accepted is babies. So it's like you can't sit there and say I want to be a man, I want to step up, I want to be a leader and all this bravado in this episode and then turn around and be like, actually, if I'm not going to be a leader and I'm not paying her bills, I still own her, she's prop and like they talked about women like property, like you can see me just slap my face so many times because it's like that's not how relationships work, like with one thing I've ever learned as a man because you said the gender roles break down.

Speaker 2: 1:11:31

You cannot control women, you're right.

Speaker 3: 1:11:33

You do not control. If anything. My wife shows up with me because she makes a choice, because I make choices that she likes the choices I make as a man and she respects those choices. I don't own her. Even 20 years being with her, she doesn't own me. We are equal human beings and that's why we work together in the way that we do.

Speaker 2: 1:11:58

And I don't lie to her.

Speaker 3: 1:11:59

don't you know like lasted, yeah, like you tells you something you can't lie to women, you can't do these things, you can't create this violence for women and then sit there and turn around and go. Why are we lonely? Because your guys are being assholes. Like it's not that hard to be kind to women. It's trans women, it's all the same fucking thing, like when people try to say what's the identity of women? What is a woman? First of all, we never asked what a man is, clearly, and they always try to skate that question because they don't want to define what a man is. They want to again push it back on a woman.

Speaker 3: 1:12:37

To me, in my own personal opinion, um, because I've been around trans women, cis women. Women have an energy to them. Men have an energy to them. It's just a frequency that comes off and then non-binary people can be in the middle of that frequency in certain spectrums. That's how I see things. Not everybody has to see it that way too, and I totally respect if you can't see how I see things. But I can just like blossom, you give feminine. You know what I mean. You're not giving truck driver, you know what I mean. Like you're giving exactly you know, and it's like shit.

Speaker 3: 1:13:09

I can look at a gay man and be like I could top you because you've really femme, because I'm very masked, because I'm on the other side of that spectrum. I'm attracted to the yin and yang of that, but it's like I think it's really important for men to have these conversations and I think to your point about letting Oliver have that moment. I was OK with it and I'm still OK with it because of the brotherhood that I've experienced on that set. Those guys were like fans of me. They're. They love that I took ben shapiro down. Uh, they got excited when they saw me. They're like oh shit, shane's here. One of the guys, the, the gay guy. That was like I'm traditional on the red side, I forget his name I forget his name the bald one.

Speaker 3: 1:13:50

He came over in the dressing room and he was like listen, I know we're not on the same side, but I'm such a fan of yours so it's like there was brotherhood. And, as a trans man, like we don't see that we don't see trans men genuinely put into male spaces and dabbed up and respected, and I'm willing to go into those spaces. I'll kick your ass at basketball, I'll kick your ass at golf, I'll race you at mario kart, I'll do all that dirt bike bullshit and know, just give me the opportunity to show up and have trans masculine voices in those spaces. And I do appreciate how those guys treated me on set. And one more thing, scarlett, because we didn't pass it to you what would your advice be for folks on Jubilee?

Speaker 5: 1:14:31

Yeah, just to stay calm as possible and kind of know I mean, you can't really know what you're going to go into. So I kind of wish I would have watched some more conservatives, like before I went to kind of see what their talking points were going to be, because, like I didn't really know where it was going to be and then it was the exact opposite.

Speaker 5: 1:14:52

So I was like, oh well, here we go, but yeah, just being calm and not even really addressing like the hate. Afterwards. Like there were some comments that I was like, girl, this is making me laugh. People kept saying did you edit your Adam's apple out of your pictures? And I was like huh, I was like no baby.

Speaker 2: 1:15:12

Girl, you were flawless when you did this.

Speaker 3: 1:15:15

I was like Listen, they call me fat, but never ugly.

Speaker 1: 1:15:17

They told me I looked like Ricky Lake. I said, bitch, fuck you.

Speaker 2: 1:15:23

I did, guys, I said I love her.

Speaker 1: 1:15:27

I was like but Ricky Lake is the bomb, she's my hairspray queen. I'm like that's a half of it and you think I look like a girl. Sometimes those comments do read and I'm like, damn, that was good. I know Somebody also commented Optimus Prime and that got me going. You know that song, Optimus Prime.

Speaker 3: 1:15:42

It just killed me. It was really funny.

Speaker 2: 1:15:46

So, ladies and gents, we have run out of time. I want to thank both of y'all so much for coming on the podcast. We both appreciate you so much. Thank y'all so much for coming on the podcast. We both appreciate you so much. Thank y'all so much for taking your time to come spend it here at the transparency podcast show, which, by the way, please subscribe to our channel if you have not already. Make sure you hit the like button down below, so that way you know. I'm sorry, it's a subscribe button. Make sure you hit the like button too.

Speaker 3: 1:16:12

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